DD trust in Snape again. WAS: Evil Hermione

[wynnleaf]

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> Alla:
> 
> Why would Harry give any thought to Snape saving his life ( which I 
> completely disagree happened multiple times, but see below for that) 
> if for five years all that Snape was doing ( the way I see it) 
> sadistically tormenting Harry and NOT only during the lessons but 
> also in between of those?
>

wynnleaf
*All* that Snape was doing?  Of course, Harry forgets everything else.

Alla
> Why would fifteen year old suddenly change his mind about the man 
> who ( the way I see it)attacked him as a vicious dog ( IMO of 
> course) on the very first lesson, who took a book from him when he 
> was reading outside, who tormented Harry with the name of his dead 
> father, whom it turns out Snape is complicit in putting to his 
> grave - IMO of course.

wynnleaf
You know, there's a far cry between my words for Harry to give "a tiny
bit of thought" and yours for why he shouldn't "change his mind."  My
point was that Harry won't think about it *at all.*

Alla
> Snape gives a VERY nice explanation of why he bothered to save 
> Harry's life in Spinner End. It could be of course that he is 
> playing a game, but consider for a second if what Snape says there 
> is actually the truth.

wynnleaf
Well, no, in fact he doesn't.  He says absolutely nothing about ever
saving Harry's life.  He gives Bella an explanation for why he hadn't
murdered Harry.  They are really quite different things.  It's one
thing to convince Bella that why he didn't *murder* Harry, and quite
another to convince her why he saved Harry's life.  So he didn't try.
 Bella had no idea about any of the times Snape saved Harry or anyone
else.

Alla
> Isn't it interesting that Dumbledore does NOT insist at all that 
> eleven year old Harry thank Snape for saving his life?
> 
> Instead Dumbledore gives Harry IMO a very clear suggestion that the 
> ONLY reason Snape tried to save Harry was  that he was hoping to pay 
> his life debt and be done with it?

wynnleaf
And since he paid it then, why's he still saving lives? 

Alla 
> Isn't it possible that Dumbledore is right here?

wynnleaf
Never said he wasn't.  I tend to have a *great deal* of confidence in
DD's opinions.  Harry, on the other hand, takes those he likes and
disbelieves those he doesn't.  Quite convenient.

Alla
> It is funny because it is still would have been nice for eleven year 
> old to thank Snape ( not that I blame him one second for not doing 
> it after the year Snape gave him, but Dumbledore supposed to know 
> better. So WHY he does not insist that Harry at least writes Snape a 
> thank you note or something?

wynnleaf
I don't recall him asking Harry to thank any of the Order members who
came to save him at the MOM either.  Wonder why not?  Did they all owe
Harry some sort of debt, so thanks are unimportant?  Therefore, I
don't think DD's not *ever* asking Harry to thank *anyone* is
particularly relavant.

 
> Alla:
> 
> But if one evaluates what Snape did to Harry as continuous 
> destruction of Harry's dignity on the day to day basis, then bigger 
> picture becomes something very different IMO.
> 
> As in that NOTHING that Snape ever did for Harry, if anything 
> overweights what Snape did against Harry. That is just my opinion of 
> course.

wynnleaf,
Insults are worse than death?  Better to be dead, but not insulted,
than alive and insulted?  Not in my opinion.  Of course, anyone would
prefer both to live *and* to not be insulted.  But of the two, I
imagine most people would rather be alive.


> Alla:
> 
> Maybe, but I would hope to hear it from Snape that he feels guilty. 
> Just once.

wynnleaf
And you might.  But it's more likely to be for his part in the
Potter's deaths.  DD said it was his greatest regret.  I figure DD
must have had *some* communication from Snape to that effect.  But of
course, one would have to believe DD or his words about that would
make little difference.


> Alla:
> 
> I'd like again refer you to Spinner End and imagine the possibility 
> that everything that Snape said there is a truth.

wynnleaf
Well, as I already pointed out, Snape didn't say *anything* about
saving anyone's life in his discussion at Spinners End.  Besides,
completely aside from the saving lives thing, we already know that at
least some of what he said at Spinners End was a lie.  For instance,
his comment where he implied that he had a "wait and see" attitude
toward Harry at first, that Harry might have been the "standard" for
DE's to rally around.  That was a complete lie.  Snape -- as you have
clearly pointed out -- acted hatefully to Harry from the first.

wynnleaf