Evil Hermione

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No: HPFGUIDX 154901

> > Alla:
> > Maybe nobody dies precisely because younger generation did things
> > better than the older one, no?
> >
> > We seem to agree that Umbridge IS capable of murder, one can only
> > guess what else besides Cruciatus she could throw at the kids or
as
> > I said what would have happened if kids were put on the hearing
in
> > front of Wizengamot.
>
> Magpie:
> I don't get what the meaning of that is. These things don't
happen...what's
> the relevence of asking what if they did?

Alla:
Edited again, because I can. :)

Let me try to give you some examples.
Because of Trio's interference Voldemort was not able to get the
stone for himself, is it relevant to ask what might have happened?

Yep, IMO very much.

Voldemort was unable to get the Prophecy because of kids and Order
courageous fight and Harry's heart that saved him. Is it relevant to
ask what *could* have happened?

Yes, because those things did not happen **not** because the threats
were not serious enough, but because somebody **prevented** them from
happening.

Just as in case with Marietta, I disagree strongly that nothing
serious occurred **because** her actions were not serious enough, but
**only** because Hermione's ginx and Dumbledore and Kingsley quick 
wit
helped to neutralise Marietta fast and still Dumbledore was forced
to leave and leave Hogwarts in the hands of abusive sadist, IMO.

**That** is the relevance to me - that Marietta's actions could have 
led
to horrible consequences and did not do so **not** thanks to anything
Marietta did, quite the contrary, IMO.

It is the same with Draco's actions in HBP, I don't buy the argument
that since nobody died, Draco is somehow less responsible for what
happened. Nobody died **not** because of Draco and I look at what 
might
have happened and did not only because of Draco's luck and JKR's
will. :)


Edited to clarify - I just want to stress that intent does matter to
me a lot, but as I mentioned earlier the problem is that I don't see
the signs of Marietta being conflicted, etc.

Without those signs ( IMO of course, others may see it, I don't), I
have no choice but to look at her actions only and those actions do
not smell good to me.


> > Alla:
> >
> > I already mentioned that I totally see the parallel, but I want
to
> > add - Peter was at MOST two or three years older than Marietta
IMO,
> > so adult/child does not really work for me here.
>
> Magpie:
> The adult/child was probably the least of my problems with the
parallel. In
> fact, I think Peter could have been more of an anti-Marietta at
his age in
> significant ways. The Potters might have ultimately been a lot
safer if
> Marietta had been the fourth Marauder.

Alla:

Do you mind clarifying how Potters could have been safer?

Is your meaning that Marietta would not have betrayed them?

Alla.