Voldemorts Wand

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 155391

aussie wrote:
> Let's look at the things straight after Harry became the "Boy who 
> Lived" until Hagrid takes him away.
> 
> LV may have gone to GH with DE without revealing his (***)plans 
> since an AK will split your soul, but a spell performed afterwards 
> can take that spit piece to make a Horcrux. (HBP - Slughorn's 
> memory "There is a spell. Do not ask me. I don't know" - so it is 
> not done instead of AK, but after) 
> 
> Voldemort, with or without other Death Eaters, suddenly looses the 
> physical form he is accustomed to and becomes the whisp we see 
> later. 
> 
> Look at it from Voldemort's POV. That was a radical change. He may 
> not have known, or may have been too shocked, to possess a DE before 
> they ran away.
> 
> LV was "reduced to something barely alive", but able to make a trip 
> to (*) Albania. <snip>
> 
> LV in GOF said, "Aaah . . . pain beyond pain, my friends; nothing 
> could have prepared me for it.  I was ripped from my body, I was 
> less than spirit, less than the meanest ghost. . . but still, I was 
> alive.  What I was, even I do not know","I was as powerless as the 
> weakest creature alive, and without the means to help myself... for 
> I had no body, and every spell that might have helped me required 
> the use of a wand."
> 
> Once he came to his sences, deserted by the escaping DE, he realised 
> he needed a wand, but the magic he could do wasn't enough. He may 
> have done something to the wand himself so he could return to GH to 
> collect it with a DE later. 
> 
> Any Death Eaters who accompanied him would have run away scared at 
> what they saw. Someone had to start the rumours that LV was dead. 
> They were well known the next morning Vernon drove to work.
> 
> Hagrid (in POA at the 3 Broomsticks) said he got there before Sirius 
> because DD sent him (Maybe by making a portkey the way that DD sent 
> Harry away from the MOM at the end of OOTP). 
> 
> Hagrid wasn't sent by the secret keeper, so would have been sent to 
> the right street, but not be able to find the house under normal 
> wizarding conditions. A Dark Mark flying over over a house in ruins 
> was not normal, so Hagrid could go in and rescue Harry.
> 
> Voldy had experience at hiding objects (ring at Molovo's hut). 
> Hagrid would not have found it at all, and others missed it too.
>
Carol responds:
I agree that Voldemort must have been in too much pain and too weak to
possess anyone after he was hit by the rebounded AK or he would surely
have possessed Harry, who as a mere toddler in a crib (cot) could not
have run away. I also agree that he would not have told anyone of the
plan to make a Horcrux (afterwards, not necessarily at GH) using
Harry's murder. It's one thing to have a DE witness the murders;
another thing entirely to have him (or her) witness the creation of a
Horcrux.

However, the evidence from Harry's memories (some of them
Dementor-induced) indicates that no one except LV himself was present,
or at least visible to James, who calls out to Lily that "he"
(Voldemort) is here. James says he'll fight him (not "them" off) so
that Lily can take Harry and run. It's quite possible, in fact likely,
that Wormtail is present, hiding in rat form and invisible to James,
but otherwise LV seems to be alone.

Wormtail's presence explains not only how Voldemort got his wand back
but how the whole WW seemed to know about Godric's Hollow the next
morning. (I'm sure that JKR confirmed his presence in an interview,
but I can't find it. She does say that Wormtail used Voldemort's wand
to kill Cedric, who counts in the Priori Incantatem scene as one of
Voldemort's victims.) Wormtail could have gone to the WW to report
that Sirius Black, the Secret Keeper, had betrayed the Potters, who
had been murdered by Voldemort. The Ministry could have come to
investigate, found Hagrid rescuing Harry (lightning-shaped cut and
all) from the ruins, and gone after Sirius Black without telling
Hagrid what they were doing. Afterwards, the "innocent" Pettigrew
would be "murdered" by Black, apparently confirming his story.

No need for any other DEs at Godric's Hollow that I can see. As for
Hagrid's being able to see the ruined house, I think the Fidelius
Charm ended when the people it was designed to protect were revealed
to Voldemort and/or the place they were hiding no longer existed. The
secret (the Potters are hiding in Godric's Hollow) was no longer a
secret and no longer true. I think the moment that Voldemort arrived
and saw them, or the moment he killed James, the spell was broken and
Dumbledore sensed it. (I think that Snape sensed something, too,
perhaps a terrible pain in his arm that woke him up, and watched as
his Dark Mark almost but not quite disappeared. I think he ran to DD
and together they concluded that the Potters must be dead but
Voldemort, too, was almost destroyed--which meant that Harry, the
Prophecy Boy, must somehow have survived.)

Carol, noting that it's Marvolo, not Molovo, and pretty sure that LV
hid nothing in Godric's Hollow