What really happened on the tower.

[colebiancardi]

No: HPFGUIDX 155504

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> "colebiancardi": 
> > I don't think Snape is as trusted with
> > Voldemort as he states he is
> 
> Snape never said he was Voldemort's most trusted aid, Narcissa said
> it, and Bellatrix who didn't like Snape one bit would have certainly
> challenged that remark if she thought it untrue but she said 
nothing. 
> 

colebiancardi:  well, who sent that rumor around?  Voldemort must 
have stated it or someone in the LV lair started it.  Probably Snape, 
if not Voldy.


 >eggplant: That doesn't explain why it was necessary to vow to kill 
Dumbledore to
> protect Draco. Narcissa and Bellatrix were not Snape's boss, when 
they
> demanded he make that vow he could have told them to soak their 
head.
> If Voldemort didn't demand he make such a vow (and he may have) how
> could they? And if Snape was a good guy why didn't he tell 
Dumbledore
> about that vow? He thought Snape was only pretending to have made 
the
> vow but we readers know better.
> 

colebiancardi:
No, they are not Snape's boss.  And we aren't really sure if Snape 
*knew* what Draco was supposed to do; only that Snape stated he knew 
it and even then, Narcissa didn't tell him the complete story.  If 
Snape *told* them to soak their heads, it would have made Bellatrix 
more suspicious of Snape(she even stated Snape wouldn't do it) and 
Snape would have never found out what Draco was up to.  Snape's 
involvement with the UV gave him the perfect opportunity to spy on 
Draco - to get his nose into Draco's businesses.  And how do we know 
that Snape didn't tell DD about the UV?  When Harry tells DD about 
the UV, DD was not suprised at all about it.  And who is the "we" 
readers?


>eggplant: I have heard hundreds of theories trying to explain why 
Snape made
> that vow but only one holds water: Snape was only vowing to do what 
he
> had every intention of doing anyway, and in fact may have only been
> repeating a vow he'd already made to Voldemort.  
> 

colebiancardi: To you, it is the only one that holds water.  The HP 
world is not divided into black & white areas.  There is a lot of 
grey in it.

> > How did Snape's "murder" of DD
> > help the good guys?  
> 
> Why the quotation marks?
> 

colebiancardi:  Because I don't believe Snape "murdered" DD.  I 
believe he was acting under orders from DD.  And that is not "murder" 
in times of war.

 > eggplant: If Snape is a good guy then he is a royal idiot for 
making that vow,
> otherwise he could have surprised the Death Eaters and turned his 
wand
> on them rather than on Dumbledore.
> 

colebiancardi:
outnumbered?  And then what?  He doesn't complete Draco's task and 
turns his wand on the DE's and Snape would drop dead on the spot.  
What good is that?  And DD would have died, Harry would have died.  
Draco probably would have died or been taken back to LV and crucio'd 
to death.


colebiancardi