What really happened on the tower.

[Mike]

No: HPFGUIDX 155688

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
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> Also, Harry didn't "defeat two wizards." He hit the Brutal-faced 
> Death Eater *in the back* with the first Petrificus Totalus. He 
> wasn't fighting him; the DE didn't know he was there.
> And we *are* told that Harry didn't have time to raise
> his wand before Fenrir Greyback leaped on him
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> It's most unlikely to be Harry, and certainly you can't state
> as fact that he "defeated two wizards" using nonverbal spells when 
> we don't know any such thing.

Mike here:
I totally agree with Carol here. Reading the passage, Harry is not 
knocked to the floor, but more likely pinned against the wall. 
Greyback slumps "against" him and Harry pushes him off and onto the 
floor. Not onto him, against him. Harry then immediately *ducks* a 
curse flying at him. You can't duck if you've just been pinned to 
the floor seconds before.

> Carol again:
> As for Fenrir Greyback being a wizard, I think he must be 
> considering that he's a Death Eater. The narrator mentions his DE 
> robes being tight across his chest, and he must have had the Dark 
> Mark on his arm to get through the barrier on the tower stairs.
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> Certainly Greyback is part of the WW and has been for a long time,
> given his attack on child!Remus some thirty or so years earlier.

Mike again:
On dear Fenrir, I'm with Red Hen on this one, Fenrir was a Muggle. 
His robes don't fit, like they were borrowed, he doesn't seem to 
have a wand nor show any magical abilities other than his monthly 
transformation. No matter what you were before you were bitten a 
werewolf is, by definition, now a magical creature. Muggles are far 
more likely to be bitten. Wizards know enough to be wary and/or stay 
indoors during a full moon, Muggles don't.

As for the barrier, it was erected after the four ascended the 
tower, and Lupin told us it was blasted away before anyone came back 
down the stairs. Only Snape goes through the barrier on his way up 
the stairs. So neither Fenrir nor Draco needed a Dark Mark.

Finally, Greyback, and the other werewolves, are referred to as 
*allies* of LV not DEs. And doesn't Lupin tell us that most all 
werewolves are on LV's *side*, not that they're DEs? And that 
Greyback wants to create an army of werewolves to overcome the 
wizards. Doesn't sound like he is a wizard, does it?