Blaming Re: muggle baiting vs. muggle torture

[sistermagpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 155702

festuco
> I have severe difficulties with this kind of reasoning. The twins are
> not responsible for the disfigurement of Bill. Greyback is. He is the
> one who did it. If people start to blame other persons for actions of
> somebody then it is completely arbitrary. 

Magpie:
I don't think Betsy was saying the Twins were responsible, she was 
saying that this was one of the results of their stuffing Montague 
into the cabinet, which is true.  Fenrir is the one who mauled Bill, 
and not only did the Twins not do that, it's not even an outcome the 
Twins could have reasonably foreseen from their own action.  But the 
two things were connected, and I think JKR meant for that to be seen.  
It's not karmic justice of any kind, it's actions (even bad actions) 
having consequences.  And since this is fiction with an author 
creating the results of those actions, I think they do mean something--
just as James' casual bullying of Snape continues to have serious 
consequences today.  It doesn't make James responsible for the way 
Snape treats Harry.

Festuco:
Then they are not deserters either. Because they did not leave the WW.
Because having left school they are now free to join the Order, which
they undoubtedly did. 

Magpie:
Err...I have no interest in seeing the Twins as deserters for their 
leaving school, but since when did they join the Order?  Last I saw 
they opened a joke shop and made a killing. They weren't at the MoM.

-m