Hate crimes (was Re: muggle baiting vs. muggle torture)

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 155789

> Alla:> 
> 
> > Should jewish bully be spared from a prank by non-jews, whose 
> little 
> > brother he "hunted" for years just because he is a jew? Not in my 
> > book.
> 
> Magpie:
> That avoids the nature of the Prank and the Power imbalance.  The 
Jew 
> isn't being spared a Prank because he's a Jew, he's being spared an 
> anti-Semitic prank because he's a Jew.  A prank that targets his 
> weakness as a Jew--regardless of whether the person targetted him 
> only because he's a Jew.   

Alla:

No, it does not avoid anything because I don't see that what twins 
did as analogy to targeting Jew because he is a jew. I see it as 
analogy (maybe) as targeting bully who just happens to be a Jew.


> Magpie:
> So as long as you felt that the kids did not target the kid because 
> he was a Jew, you wouldn't consider it anti-Semitic that they 
decided 
> to prank the Jewish kid they didn't like by putting a DIRTY JEW 
sign 
> on his back? 

Alla:

Eh, No, this was how Betsy analogised the prank, I don't see anything 
close to this analogy in what twins did. I said it many times, but if 
we continue with this analogy, what Twins did as targeting the kid, 
who is a big bullying git and just **happens to be a Jew** and him 
being a jew has **nothing** to do with the reason he is being pranked.

So, again for me Betsy's analogy does not work, that is all.

Magpie:
 Or would the fact that they went for that prank suggest 
> a latent anti-Semitism that was already there but they just didn't 
> have cause to act on as long as the Jew was a nice guy their view?

Alla:

Huh? So are you saying after all that Twins do hate Muggles and just 
do not act on it? I am not sure I understand.

Because no, the fact that they went for the Prank to me means 
**only** that they wanted to teach a lesson to the bully,who was 
tormenting their little brother for years. To me that is **all** that 
was there. 


Magpie: 
> Of course the Twins would rather just think it's about not pranking 
> Muggles because they're Muggles--they have no interest in doing 
> that.  That's an easy temptation to avoid.  It's not even a 
> temptation.  Respecting the dignity of others--especially someone 
> weak but not innocent?  Really examining themselves and their 
> attitudes about others?  That's a challenge.

Alla:

They have no interest in pranking Muggles, they have **never** in 
canon pranked any Muggle as far as we are aware. They said that they 
pranked Dudley because he is a bullying git, but  the argument is 
that they are guilty of muggle - baiting?

Okay. I think I have reached agree to disagree point in the debate.

Alla