The UV
puduhepa98 at aol.com
puduhepa98 at aol.com
Sat Jul 22 05:05:40 UTC 2006
No: HPFGUIDX 155805
>Eggplant
>If Snape was a good man and if his IQ was larger than his shoe size he
would NEVER make a vow when he didn't even know what he is vowing to
do. Hero or villain I am certain JKR wants her readers to respect
Snape and the above scenario would make that imposable. From
fascinating enigma and brilliant master spy Snape would become a
member of the 3 stooges. <snip>
>Then by agreeing to make the vow in the first place Snape has proven
himself to be a man of such incompetence and low intelligence that he
is no longer an interesting character.
Nikkalmati:
You can say it various ways and over and over, but that does not make it
true. It was not stupid to take the UV, if he had a strong enough reason to do
so. The information about Draco's task was potentially vital, worth risking
his life to discover. When he agreed to take the vow, he did not think it
would encompass more than protecting Draco. He underestimated Narcissa.
>Eggplant
>Then why wasn't he worried that Bella would tell Voldemort that Snape
knew all about the plan? Wouldn't Voldemort wonder how Snape had found
out if he hadn't told him. And why would Voldemort tell others about
the plan but not his most trusted lieutenant?
Nikkalmait:
SS convinced her he did know, so why would she expose her ignorance and make
LV angry by questioning his actions. "Excuse me, my lord, but did you
really tell Snape about the plan?" I don't think that would go over well,
especially since, after the MOM, Bella herself was not very well positioned. Also,
by taking the UV he made it impossible for Bella to go to LV without
admitting she had taken part in a conspiracy against him.
I don't think LV has a Most Trusted Lieutenant. He is very secretive and
plays one DE against another IMO.
Nikkalmati
>Eggplant
>That's what makes it all so crazy, according to you Snape agreed to
make an unbreakable vow and he had no idea what he was going to vow to
do. Just try to make a good book with that premise, "dumb" doesn't
begin to describe it!
Nikkalmati:
Snape thought he knew what he was going to be promising: to protect Draco.
Part three was a surprise. Either it was literally too late to back out or
he had invested too much in the little charade to change his mind.
Nikkalmati
>Eggplant
>If, as I think likely, Snape had already made the exact same vow to
Voldemort then there was zero risk in repeating it, and there might be
some small gain on getting on the good side of Bella and Narcissa.
Nikkalmati:
Like he really needs the sisters' help! No I don't think LV needs an
unbreakable vow. If a DE doesn't do what he is told LV will kill him personally
and enjoy it so much more.
Nikkalmati
>Eggplant
Harry told Dumbledore that Snape had said he made an Unbreakable Vow
but it's pretty obvious he didn't believe Snape had really done it.
When Draco brought up the same thing Dumbledore responded:
"Of course that is what he would tell you, Draco, but"
And there is another reason. Like Snape I also assume Dumbledore had a
IQ larger that his shoe size and a smart man just doesn't pick as his
most trusted aid someone he knows had vowed to be a traitor and to
murder you. As I said before real people just don't do things like that.
Nikkalmati:
I don't find it obvious. (By "he" do you mean DD or HP?). DD is trying to
tell Draco that there is more to Snape's concern that the UV, not that the UV
doesn't exist. DD had already picked SS as his most trusted aide long
before the UV. Because SS told him about the UV (and because DD did not believe
there had been any intent to be a traitor or to murder DD IMHO), he had no
reason to change his opinion of SS.
Nikkalmati
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