The UV

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Sat Jul 22 05:05:40 UTC 2006


No: HPFGUIDX 155805

 
 
 
 
>Eggplant 
>If Snape was a good man and if his IQ was larger than his shoe size  he
would NEVER make a vow when he didn't even know what he is vowing  to
do. Hero or villain I am certain JKR wants her readers to respect
Snape  and the above scenario would make that imposable. From
fascinating enigma and  brilliant master spy Snape would become a
member of the 3 stooges.  <snip> 
>Then by agreeing to make the vow in the first place Snape has  proven
himself to be a man of such incompetence and low intelligence that  he
is no longer an interesting character.  
Nikkalmati: 
You can say it various ways and over and over, but that does not make it  
true.  It was not stupid to take the UV, if he had a strong enough reason  to do 
so.  The information about Draco's task was potentially vital, worth  risking 
his life to discover.  When he agreed to take the vow, he did not  think it 
would encompass more than protecting Draco.  He underestimated  Narcissa.  


>Eggplant 
>Then why wasn't he worried that Bella would tell Voldemort that  Snape
knew all about the plan? Wouldn't Voldemort wonder how Snape had  found
out if he hadn't told him. And why would Voldemort tell others  about
the plan but not his most trusted lieutenant? 
Nikkalmait: 
SS convinced her he did know, so why would she expose her ignorance and make  
LV angry by questioning his actions.  "Excuse me, my lord, but did you  
really tell Snape about the plan?"  I don't think that would go over well,  
especially since, after the MOM, Bella herself was not very well  positioned.  Also, 
by taking the UV he made it impossible for Bella to go  to LV without 
admitting she had taken part in a conspiracy against him. 
I don't think LV has a Most Trusted Lieutenant.  He is very  secretive and 
plays one DE against another IMO. 
Nikkalmati


>Eggplant 
>That's what makes it all so crazy, according to you Snape agreed  to
make an unbreakable vow and he had no idea what he was going to vow  to
do. Just try to make a good book with that premise, "dumb"  doesn't
begin to describe it! 
Nikkalmati: 
Snape thought he knew what he was going to be promising: to  protect Draco.  
Part three was a surprise.  Either it was literally  too late to back out or 
he had invested too much in the little charade to change  his mind. 
Nikkalmati

>Eggplant
>If, as I think likely, Snape had already  made the exact same vow to
Voldemort then there was zero risk in repeating  it, and there might be
some small gain on getting on the good side of Bella  and Narcissa. 
Nikkalmati: 
Like he really needs the sisters' help!  No I don't think LV needs an  
unbreakable vow.  If a DE doesn't do what he is told LV will kill him  personally 
and enjoy it so much more. 
Nikkalmati

>Eggplant
Harry told  Dumbledore that Snape had said he made an Unbreakable Vow
but it's pretty  obvious he didn't believe Snape had really done it.
When Draco brought up the  same thing Dumbledore responded: 

"Of course that is what he would tell  you, Draco, but"

And there is another reason. Like Snape I also assume  Dumbledore had a
IQ larger that his shoe size and a smart man just doesn't  pick as his
most trusted aid someone he knows had vowed to be a traitor and  to
murder you. As I said before real people just don't do things like  that.

Nikkalmati: 
I don't find it obvious.  (By "he" do you mean DD or  HP?).  DD is trying to 
tell Draco that there is more to Snape's concern  that the UV, not that the UV 
doesn't exist.  DD had already picked SS as  his most trusted aide long 
before the UV.  Because SS told him about the  UV  (and because DD did not believe 
there had been any intent to be a  traitor or to murder DD IMHO), he had no 
reason to change his opinion of  SS. 
Nikkalmati


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