Structure of the Seven books (Long)

Kathy ladypensieve at yahoo.com
Sun Jul 23 20:44:28 UTC 2006


No: HPFGUIDX 155874

Wow that's a lot of theorizing.  However, one of the things that 
I've always felt was important in GOF is that we never 'see' that 
kiss that Barty Jr. supposedly got from the dementors. We hear about 
it...and how many times have we been led down the garden path with 
that kind of information.

If Barty Jr. is still alive...and infiltrates Hogwarts again, 
whether it's as a student - which seems the most likely - or not, 
then Harry could be set up quite nicely by Voldemort. This leads to 
a lot of other questions...such as - who would be able to be close 
enough to Harry to make a difference.  Which student might Barty 
change into?  

Just a thought... KathyO



--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "ivogun" <miamibarb at ...> wrote:
>
> Rowling has made it known that she has an overall plan for all 
seven books. Much of the 
> planning involves keeping the events of the plot straight, but I 
think to some degree she  
> may be utilizing a classical design where the first book mirrors 
the last, the second book 
> mirrors the next to last, the third book mirrors the third from 
the last, and the forth is a 
> pivotal book or climax. Variations of this structure can be noted 
in all sorts of literature 
> ranging from Bible and other mid-eastern literature, classical 
plays, Shakespeare, poetry 
> etc. al.
> 
> I see a lot mirror images or parallels between book two (COS) and 
book six (HBP).
> 
> There are several parallels with Hagrid in these books. IN COS, we 
learn that Hagrid 
> hatches Aragog, sets him free and thinks the spiders are his 
friends. In HBP, Hagrid buries 
> Aragog, after kidnapping a dead/dying Aragog, and learns that the 
spiders are not his 
> friends. In COS, Hagrid is taken from his hut, while in HBP; the 
hut is taken away (burned 
> up) from Hagrid.
> 
> Likewise there are mirror images between the two books that 
involve the Malfoys. In COS, 
> Lucius Malfoy is a haughty, powerful trustee of Hogwarts. In HBP, 
Lucius is grateful to be a 
> powerless, but safe prisoner. In COS, Harry and Ron use polyjuice 
potion (made by 
> Hermione) to become Crabbe and Goyle in order to spy on Draco.  
Draco admits to them 
> during this event that he wants to help the Dark Lord. In the HBP, 
Crabbe and Goyle use 
> polyjuice potion (made by Draco?) In HBP, Harry discovers that 
Draco is bound to help the 
> Dark Lord, but that now Draco doesn't want to help Voldemort 
anymore.  In COS, Myrtle 
> likes Harry who only tolerates her; however, in HBP, Myrtle likes 
Draco who surprisingly 
> seems to like her.
> 
> In both books, there are parallels with Harry. In both books 
Harrry enters dangerous, 
> magically protected caves--in COS it is the chamber of secrets, 
and in HBP, it is the cave.  
> Both events seem to have symbolic meanings beyond just the 
literal. In COS, Harry frees a 
> house-elf, but in HBP Harry becomes a master of a house-elf. At 
the end of COS, 
> Dumbledore speaks to Harry in McGonagall's office, while in HBP, 
it's McGonagall who 
> talks to Harry in Dumbledore's office.
> 
> There are a few mirror images with Harry that include Ginny a bit 
too. In COS, it is an old 
> schoolbook (Tom Riddle's diary) that almost kills Ginny and Harry. 
In HBP, it's another old 
> schoolbook that helps make Harry an excellent student in potions. 
In COS, Ginny is in love 
> with Harry. In HBP, Harry realizes he loves Ginny.
> 
> In COS, the DOA teacher (Lockhart) is a show-off and a publicity 
seeker. In HBP, the DOA 
> teacher (Slughorn), has been in hiding for a year before the start 
of the book and would 
> prefer to work behind the scenes.
> 
> Fawkes, Tom Riddle, and Griffindor's sword are featured in both. 
In both book, it is Harry's 
> loyalty and obedience to Dumbledore that saves Harry's life (in 
the chamber in COS and on 
> the tower in HBP.)
> 
> I also see a few parallels between book three (PoA) parallels with 
book five (OotP).
> 
> In PoA, Harry finds Sirius and learns of the marauders (secret 
group). In OotP, Harry loses 
> Sirius and learns of the Order of the Phoenix (another secretive 
group. In PoA, Sirius 
> escapes prison. In OotP, Hogwarts becomes a prison. In PoA, Lupin 
is the best DOA 
> teacher that Harry ever had. In OotP, Umbridge is the worst DOA 
teacher that Harry has 
> ever had. In PoA, the hippogriff bites Draco. In OotP, it is the 
same hippogriff that is hurt. 
> And of course, dementers attack Harry in both PoA and OotP, and 
Harry's Patronus are 
> important in both books too.
> 
> Both PoA and OotP portray treacherous and loyal individuals. In 
POA, we find that Sirius 
> (falsely accused of betraying the Potters) and Pettigrew (an 
opportunistic snitch--a rat). In 
> OotP, Umbridge should have been accused of traitor (but wasn't) 
and Marietta who was 
> pressured into a betrayal.
> 
> In PoA, Neville gains a bit of confidence with Snape in the Bogart 
class. In OotP, Neville 
> faces Bella (who tortured his parents into madness) with a 
surprising amount of 
> confidence.
> 
> Of course, since book seven is not yet written so the parallels 
between the two books are 
> unknown, but I think the assumptions that parallels exist between 
the two books gives rise 
> for interesting speculation.
> 
> Finally, book four (GOF), which in this structure should be a 
climax, a crisis,  a turning 
> point or the book where the most import theme is emphasized. But 
which?  One possible 
> contender could be unity.  The houses of Hogwarts unite (in the 
contest against other 
> schools) and everyone (in all houses and all the visitors) remain 
at Hogwarts for Christmas. 
> More likely, it is something from the graveyard scene. It could be 
facing death, or perhaps 
> it is the duel between Voldemort and Harry where Harry and his 
wand win over Voldemort. 
> Not exactly sure, but I guess, I should reread GoF.
>









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