Slytherins (was Re: /Hurt/comfort/Elkins post about Draco AND Philosopher stone

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Alla:
> > If House Slytherin is the House,where each and every member
supports
> > the ideology of **purebloods is better than anybody else and
> > muggleborns and half bloods must die**, then I think that dislike
of
> > House Slytherin is very fair thing to do and does not constitute
bias.

Random:
> That is a pretty big "if" to be throwing around with no textual
> support, though. Certainly not _all_ slytherins support that.
> Millicent Bulstrode is a halfblood, surely she doesn't think she
> herself must die. We even have a textual counterexample, of sorts,
in
> Horace Slughorn.

Alla:

Well, that is why it is **If**, you know. :) By the way, Slughorn 
surely counts as the one who does not think that muggleboms should 
die,  but wasn¡¦t he surprised when Harry says that Hermione is the 
best and Muggleborn?

> Alla:
> > No, the evil eleven years old is absurd, of course. But eleven
years
> > olds, which minds are already poisoned by such ideology - why not?

Random:
> Having never met them, judging them as such based on nothing but
> having been sorted into the house is the very _definition_ of
> prejudice.

Alla:

Eh? You mean I never met them? Well, of course not, but since we had
been told that this is one of the criteria based on what they are
getting sorted in Slytherin, I think it is a valid one.

Random:
> And why only the first years? We haven't so much as met, say, Daphne
> Greengrass. On the train Blaise Zabini could have just been "talking
> the talk", remember, Draco was his audience. IIRC pretty much all we
> know about Pansy Parkinson is that she is after Draco, and has
a "gang
> of slytherin girls" (Harry's POV).

Alla:

Hehe, yes Daphne Greengrass. You know, I remember her name being
thrown at me before HBP came out as the example of possibly good
Slytherin. Well, HBP came out and we still did not see anything of
hers. Which is not to say that she cannot be good Slytherin, but
there is only one book left and I find it rather telling, IMO.

How do you know that Blaise was just talking the talk? I think I can
just easily say that he was expressing his sincere POV and Pantsy
seemed really comfortable talking about service to Dark Lord, doesn'
she?

Random:
> Have we really met anyone in slytherin NOT in harry's year, in
either
> direction? Really, pretty much the ONLY slytherin student we've seen
> in any depth is Draco. Are we to assume that over one hundred other
> students (based on even the most conservative population estimates,
> all slytherin students for six years in either direction) share his
> ideology and motivations?

Alla:

Well, honestly yes, I think so, we are to assume that. IMO of course.
I mean, maybe not all of them, but great deal of them.

I mean I understand the argument that since we did not meet many
Slytherins, maybe not all of them support the ideology, but I just
don't buy it. I can be wrong of course. I think Slytherins we met are
meant to be the representatives of that House and we are meant to
form an opinion based on them, not on the **name only** characters,
whom we know nothing about.

Embarassingly, I am drawing a blank early in the morning, but the
Slytherin who substituted for Draco in Quidditch in HBP, appears very
briefly and still says **mudblood**, didn't he?

I think it is meant to show us that even episodic character is very
much in favor of purebloodism, the random Slytherin, you know?

We supposedly know that Regulus rejected Voldemort hoopsa and we know 
that Andromeda married a Muggle, but I think that is about it with 
Slytherins going against party lines so far, no? I mean, we have 
Snape of course, but I'd say we really cannot be sure what he stands 
for.  But since younger generation is on the front lines now, I think 
it is very telling that we don't see anybody yet, whether such person 
or persons exist in Slytherin house.

JMO,

Alla