[HPforGrownups] Scene with likable James WAS: Re: Eileen Pince

[IreneMikhlin]

No: HPFGUIDX 156272

dumbledore11214 wrote:

> 
> Alla:
> 
> What is your definition of **their pack** though?

The Marauders, obviously. Plus maybe the Gryffindor, to a lesser degree. 
Maybe James confined his bullying to outside of his own house. That's at 
school. A "grown-up" Sirius cares for Harry and to a lesser degree, 
Harry's friends.

> If that means 
> everybody but Snape, then sure I agree with you. :) ( and in Sirius 
> case Kreacher and his dear old mom).

Oh, let's continue the list, why not? And Mrs. Weasley, and Ron (before 
he becomes a pack member), and anyone who stood between him and Peter, 
and even Harry himself, the moment he stopped playing by what Sirius 
considered the rules of the pack.

> 
> Seems to me like James and Sirius' pack included a lot of people. 
> Seriously, do people who are likeable to everybody even exist?

I didn't I measure them against the "likeable to everybody" standard, 
it's an impossible one, obviously. But against "would I like to be 
anywhere near them at school"? They fail miserably. They are exactly the 
sort of people to make a life of a quiet, introverted child into a hell.

Aside here - lot's of people (not you) seem to bring the argument lately 
"all the teenagers do that". I can't accept it. It's a bully's argument. 
I'm very sorry, but I'm not going to mince my words. It's a former 
bully's way of justifying it to himself - "but everybody did it". Not true.

> I am 
> thinking that as long as one tries to treat people nicely, that is 
> all one can do. And not saying that they and Snape tried their best 
> towards each other, but based on that I am not sure how the 
> conclusion follows about their pack, the limited number of people, 
> right?

Yes, that's right. The limited number of people, not including those 
James apparently hexed at will. They couldn't have all been Snape. :-)

> I mean, at least James and Sirius are likeable to **some people**. It 
> seems to me that so far ( as far as we know) they managed to do 
> better in that regard to Snape, who is liked by whom? As far as we 
> know of course.

What's Snape's got to do with it? Sure, James and Sirius were both more 
popular at school than he was, no one is trying to argue otherwise.

Irene