[HPforGrownups] Re: Wand Thoughts

[Kemper]

No: HPFGUIDX 153265

  > bboyminn:
> >
> > >
> > I use the illustration of magical resonance. When a wizard and a
> > wand have a very close magical resonance, when they are in magical
> > harmony, then the wizard has found a wand that matches him.
> >
> >
> > > ...edited...
> > >
> > > If the wand chooses the wizard, and there are two wands with
> > > Fawkes feather in it, and one chose Voldy and the other chose
> > > Harry... Then I have some more questions:
> > >
> > > Why did a wand with Fawkes' feather choose Voldy?  And why does
> > > Olivander expect great things from the person chosen by the
> > > other wand with that feather?  ...edited...
> > >
> > > Or am I reaching too far for a plot twist to unravel?
> > >
> > > Thanks for your thoughts, Kim
> >
> > bboyminn:
> >
> > From what I can tell Ollivander only had two wands that had Fawkes
> > Phoenix feathers. One was sold to Voldemort many years ago. (SNIP)
>
> in the intervening roughly 50 or 60 years since
> > Voldemort bought his wand, he has proven himself a very great and
> > powerful wizard. Since Harry buys a wand that is very similar to
> > Voldemort's, and since Ollivander has a general sense of Harry's
> > fate, it is reasonable for him to conclude that we can also expect
> > great things from Harry. (SNIP)
>
> AUSSIE
> ONCE FAWKES TAIL FEATHER HAD ASSISTED A DARK WIZARD, DD MAY NOT HAVE
> WANTED ANY MORE OF HIS PHOENIX'S FEATHERS TO GO TO OLLIVANDER. A
> SECOND WAS ALREADY IN A WAND BY THE TIME TOM TOOK ON THE LV NAME, SO
> THAT WAND REMAINED TILL HARRY CAME IN.
>
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Kemper:
DD DIDN'T GIVE FAWKE'S FEATHERS TO DD.  (WHY AM I YELLING?!)

Olivander: .... It so happens that the phoenix whose tail feather is in your
wand, /gave/ another feather -- just one other. .... (emphasis mine)

Fawkes gave the feather, not DD.

Though you imply a good point.  There's no canon either way to suggest that
feathers were given at the same time or at separate times/rebirths.

My unsupported-by-canon theory:  Both feathers were given during the same
rebirth cycle.  What makes the two feathers from Fawkes rare, is that Fawkes
is the first phoenix.

I realize in FB it says of the phoenix that they live to an immense age,
which to me, suggests that there is some end to their existence.  But I
prefer Fawkes as the first, the eternal, the most regal of the 'royals', to
play off Steve's word.
.
..

>  > bboyminn:
>
> > I speculate that wand cores have characteristics. The books seem to
> > imply that wands with Unicorn Hair are suited to subtle magic like
> > Charms. (SNIP) Where as
>
> > Dragon Heart is more suited to the powerful transient burst magic
> > necessary for Transfigurations. (SNIP) I consider Phoenix Feather
>
> > the 'Royal' core; it is equally suited and especially powerful in
> > both subtle and delicate as well as high energy burst
> > transformation magic.
> >
> > Also note that Dragon parts, blood, claw, skin, meat, heart, are
> all
> > readily available. We see them several times in the course of the
> > books. Unicorn Hair is also readily available. (SNIP) However, we
>
> have only seen one Phoenix, and a reading of the
> > history and nature of Phoenix tells us that their feathers are
> > likely to be very rare and very expensive. (SNIP)
>
> >
> > Also, note that Harry tried other Phoenix feather wands, but only
> > Fawke's wand feather was a match to him.
> >
>
> AUSSIE
> RARE? CODSWALLOP (to quote Hagrid)! Both Ollivanders and Phoenixes
> were around before Hogwarts.
>
> CANON: "Ollivanders: Makers of Fine Wands since 382 B.C" (PS Chap
> 5) ... "Every Ollivander wand has a core of a powerful magical
> substance, Mr. Potter. We use unicorn hairs, phoenix tail feathers,
> and the heartstrings of dragons. No two Ollivander wands are the
> same, just as no two unicorns, dragons, or phoenixes are quite the
> same."
> "I've never used veela hair myself, of course.  I find it makes for
> rather temperamental wands" (GOF Chap 18)
>
> So if they limit the cores to 3 substances, they need a supply for
> the demand.
>
> ... snip ...
>
..
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Kemper now:
Why not RARE? It seems that the phoenix has to give the feathers willingly,
based on the above Olivander statement I quoted earlier.  (Are there any
bird-geeks on this list?  If so, approximately how many tail feathers are on
a swan, FB list phoenix as a swan sized bird.)  Sure, maybe other phoenixes
give more tail feathers, but how many can they give without affecting their
flight or mating dances?  Huh, bird geeks?

Kemper, wondering if anyone else thinks Hagrid's wand isn't broken in half,
but rather bent in half.  His wand, as Olivander, was sixteen inches long
and rather bendy.


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