DD and Draco's murder attempts WAS: Draco and Harry

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> Pippin:
> So, um, let me get this straight. AFAWK, Dumbledore had *no* 
> direct evidence that Draco was involved in the attack on Katie. 
All he 
> knew, assuming Snape reported truthfully everything that 
> happened at Spinner's End,  is that Draco had  a motive to try and 
> smuggle a cursed object into Hogwarts. Snape and Dumbledore
> suspected Draco on that basis, while Harry suspected him on general
> principles. Draco was not observed to purchase the necklace and
> not observed in Hogsmeade. Dumbledore ordered Snape to question
> Draco and had him tailed, (as did Harry) but neither discovered
> anything more, except that Draco was spending time in the Room
> of Requirement. 
<SNIP>

Alla:

Um, NO in the scenario you described Dumbledore is not responsible 
of course ( and of course to me it is a BIG leap that Snape reported 
everything truthfully), but that is what I am trying to figure out 
and  still do not get clear answer.

How MUCH Dumbledore knew about Draco's activities in your opinion? 
He did not know about the cabinets? True, that seems to be supported 
by canon, but now you are saying that after attack on Katie 
Dumbledore STILL did not know that Draco was involved?

Dumbledore seems to be very clear that he knew who was behind 
attack  on her in his conversation, no?

And if he indeed knew FOR SURE that Draco is involved than my answer 
is YES, Draco should have been restrained ASAP, but of course only 
if Dumbledore knew for sure. IMO of course.


Pippin: 
> Do you honestly think  Dumbledore had enough evidence to 
> throw a sixteen year old child into Azkaban???  The report of a 
> secret informer and the suspicions of three people whose
> track record on suspecting the right person you yourself have 
> criticized many times? 

Alla:

Let me say it again - SUSPICIONS are not enough, but if DD has 
direct knowledge than yes, absolutely. Dumbledore acted on much less 
in Sirius case ( giving evidence that he was a secret keeper, while 
not bothering to check if he indeed betrayed the Potters IMO)

Pippin: 
> I understand your concern for the students, but surely turning the 
WW
> into a police state is not JKR's idea of the answer. Is Crouch  
Sr. your 
> idea of  how Dumbledore should behave? After all, on the evidence 
of
> the pensieve, most of the people Crouch sent to Azkaban deserved
> to be there. 

Alla:

Um, who said that I suggested to keep Draco without trial? I am not 
even advocating sending him in Azkaban, although judging by his 
actions, NOT by his age, I totally think that is the place where he 
needed to be.

I suggest that IF and only IF Dumbledore was absolutely, positively 
sure that Draco dear was behind attack on Kattie, Hogwarts was NOT a 
place for him to be.

As Magpie said - strategy of war that could be, but to me that was 
NOT a strategy of Headmaster, who concerned about safety of his 
students.

If Dumbledore wanted to play fast and loose with his life, that is 
his business, he had no right IMO to do the same to his students.


Pippin:
>  I don't think Dumbledore's hats conflict as much as you think 
> they do. Consider what Harry said in PS/SS : "Haven't you heard
> what it was like when [Voldemort] was trying to take over? There
> won't be any Hogwarts to be expelled from! He'll flatten it, or
> turn it into a school for the Dark Arts! Losing points doesn't
> matter any more, can't you see? D'you think he'll leave you
> and your families alone if Gryffindor wins the House Cup?"
> 
>  I ask, do you think Voldemort would leave Hogwarts alone if
> Dumbledore stopped opposing him?


Alla:

Of course Voldemort would not have leave Hogwarts alone, if 
Dumbledore stopped opposing it, but I think that attempts on Katie 
and Ron's lifes are VERY good examples that Dumbledore hats DO 
conflict and badly, because he did not necessarily put the interests 
of his students above everything else, IMO.

If that was not a story, but RL, I would totally say that Dumbledore 
should share responsibility and either gave up the leadership of OOP 
OR gave up Headmastership.

IMO of course,

Alla