Just for Fun was Re: Why RAB should be Regulus Black

[Geoff Bannister]

No: HPFGUIDX 153389

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "a_svirn" <a_svirn at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
> <gbannister10@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "a_svirn" <a_svirn@> wrote:
> > 
> > a_svirn:
> > > Neither bishops, nor apostles are in any way "chosen ones", 
> though. 
> > > Actually, it's king who is "the chosen one" (as in the "Lord's 
> > > anointed"). 
> > 
> > Geoff:
> > Yes they are. The twelve apostles were selected by Christ himself, 
> > chosen  to go with him, learn from him and then take the gospel out 
> > into the world after his resurrection and ascension.

a_svirn:
> That's quibbling with the meaning. Apostle does not mean `chosen'; 
> it means `envoy' or `messenger'. It was Christ himself who 
> was "chosen". The very name Christ is a Greek equivalent of the 
> Hebrew Messias, e.g. 'anointed'. Being anointed means being `chosen' 
> or `designated'. That's why kings are being "anointed" too. 

Geoff:
With respect, you are quibbling with the meanings, not me. I didn't say 
that the word 'apostle' had the meaning of 'chosen', being, as you say, 
from the Greek 'apostolos' (a messenger).  I could have used 'disciple' 
from the Latin 'discipulus' (a learner) as an alternative.

My point was that, regardless of whatever you choose to call them, 
there are the words of Jesus himself to consider:

"You did not choose me, I chose you and appointed you to go and 
bear fruit  - fruit that will last."

(John 15:16 New International Version)

If you are appointed by God in human form to be one of his followers, I 
think that makes you a 'chosen one' within the broader interpretation 
of the word.