[HPforGrownups] Re: Hagrid

[Kemper]

No: HPFGUIDX 153403

  <steven1965aaa at ...> wrote:
> >
> > I haven't seen much speculation here on what role Hagrid will play in
> > Book 7.  <snip of speculation by steven1965aaa>
>
> Kelly resonded:
>
>    Hagrid's official position at Hogwarts is "Keeper of the Keys and
> Grounds", and Dumbledore is the only headmaster (or wizard, for that
> matter) to be buried on the grounds. Hagrid was the one who picked up
> Dumbledore's body and was not seen again until later (not really sure
> how much later) in the hospital wing when he reports to McGonagall
> that he has moved the body. We see him again shortly afterwards in the
> headmaster's office, where he is conspiciously quiet, yet crying. The
> last time we see him is when he is carrying in Dumbledore's covered
> body for the funeral, again sobbing. We have no reason to believe that
> anyone except Hagrid has had any contact with the dead Dumbledore.
>
>      It is my belief that IF Dumbledore is not dead, that Hagrid is in
> on it. Dumbledore's line the he would trust Hagrid with his life is
> very fitting here. Is Hagrid feeding Dumbledore the Draught of the
> Living Dead potion, waiting for the time to be right for Dumbledore's
> return? Did Dumbledore transfigure himself into a white tomb, to be
> watched over by his ever faithful grounds-keeper? Or, if Dumbledore is
> in fact part Phoenix is Hagrid minding the bird until it matures? And
> what of Grawp? Why do we need that storyline? We already know that
> Hagrid has a soft spot for large unruly creatures. Could Dumbledore be
> with Grawp, deep in the forbidden forest?
>
>     I too love the character of Hagrid and view him as one of Harry's
> protectors. I think he is smarter than he seems, after all he did
> predict that Voldemort was not gone for good. Even though he has a
> knack for putting his foot in his mouth, I often wonder if it is done
> on purpose to gently nudge Harry in the right direction. Whether
> Dumbledore is alive or not Hagrid can provide Harry and his friend's
> with valuable information on Voldemort. And it would truly be poetic
> justice for Hagrid, that lovable oaf, to have a hand in the downfall
> of the most powerful wizard of the time.
>


Kemper now:
I'm mostly responding to your conditional supposition of Hagrid's possible
part in DD's possible faked death.

I think I'm the only one on the list that has the porchlight on for DD.  My
reasons are also based on Dumbledore's solid trust in Hagrid.  We get this
in the first chapter.  DD could have had any member of the Order retrieve
baby Potter from the rubble at Godric's Hollow, but he chose Hagrid out of
all of them, most of whom are at the very least more competent with magic
than Hagrid... though inarguably he's more competent with magic
than Arabella and any other Squib in the Order.  To have Hagrid pick up the
boy who lived, is a powerful endorsement of Hagrid in and of itself.  Then,
when questioned (by whom the reader now knows to be a strong, courageous,
and skilled witch) on whether it was /wise/ to trust Hagrid with something
she also recognizes as important, DD affirms this trust and takes it a step
further saying he would trust Hagrid (whom the reader now knows to be a
wizard with a Year3/7thGrade education) with his life.

How could such a powerful endorsement by such a powerful wizard (whom the
reader now knows to do things with a wand that an ancient witch had
never seen and to be the only one LV ever feared) not be proven anywhere in
the series?!

However, I do not think that Hagrid is in on DD's faked death.  Hagrid wears
his emotions on his sleeve.  He would not be able to pull off faking grief
for DD.  I believe that DD had a will drawn up that had Hagrid perform
certain duties with regards to his body and resting place.

I think it's like a writer who writes into her story a gun, the reader knows
that the gun is going to be used in some way.

There are those on the list with the porch light off who don't see the
purpose in the story for DD to live.  Here is possible situation in which
DD is needed for the story:

DD lives and leaves the white tomb.  He searches for one of the horcruxes.
Harry searches for the horcruxes.  He succeeds in finding and destroying all
but one (with/without the help of Snape, depending on your world
view)  Voldemort finds Harry.  They duel.  Somehow, Voldemort dies.  Harry
is worried that he will return.  There's still one more horcrux to destroy.
His only plan is to find the last horcrux and destroy it, then bide his time
for Voldemort's return.
DD shows up!  OMG!  Harry tells about his duel and expresses fear of
Voldemort's return.  DD smiles and says Voldemort will not be returning.
Harry's all, What?!  DD tells how he (with/without the help of Snape,
depending on your world view) found the last horcrux and destroyed it, mere
hours before Harry and Voldemort dueled.
Dumbledore (and maybe Snape, depending on your world view) is not the hero.
Harry is.  He, alone, faced and vanquished the Dark Lord.

Of course, JKR can have Harry find and destroy all the horcruxes making the
showdown with the Dark Lord a little less suspenseful.  But,
obviously, she's not a bad writer.


Kemper, waiting for DD patiently with the porch-light on and pouring him a
large brandy


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