Understanding Snape

[houyhnhnm102]

No: HPFGUIDX 153467

fair wynn:


> There's no way that Snape's action in alerting the 
> Order and Dumbledore to go to the Ministry could be 
> anything other than an action to thwart Voldemort's 
> goal of getting the prophecy and harming Harry.

> It would have been very easy to excuse Snape for 
> never contacting the Order the second time.  Why 
> should he suspect that Harry had gone to the 
> Ministry ?  [snip] The floo network was watched.  
> Brooms were locked up.  Harry couldn't apparate.  
> He couldn't take the train.  The only reason they 
> were able to go was the odd chance that Harry and 
> Hermione had blood on their clothes, thus attracting 
> the thestrals.  It would have been easy for Snape to 
> say later that he couldn't imagine Harry ever getting 
> outside of the general Hogwarts, Hogsmead, Forest locale.

> Further, during Dumbledore's conversation with 
> Harry, later that night, when he tells Harry about 
> Snape's actions, he also made clear to Harry that Snape 
> had passed along to him all of the information from 
> visions that Snape had seen in Harry's head during 
> occlumency lessons.  That means that information about 
> Voldemorts attempts to get the prophecy and his attempts 
> to use Harry, were being passed on to Dumbledore.

houyhnhnm:

And there is the fact that the Order even knows about LV's plot to get 
his hands on the prophecy.  They know about it by the time Harry comes 
to 12 Grimmauld Place.  Either the information came from Snape or

1) Dumbledore has other spies placed as closely to Voldemort as Snape 
is, in which case the whole "Why does DD trust Snape?" question has to 
be revisited.
2)  Dumbledore is omniscient, in which case the whole "Why does DD 
trust Snape?" question has to be revisited.

So, Snape's actions in one way or another bring about the defeat of a 
plan that Voldemort threw all of his effort and resources into for a 
whole year.  No way is that throwing scraps to the Order for the 
purpose of maintaining his cover as a DD loyal double agent.

I don't think that it is possible to prove that Snape is Dumbledore's 
Man, but it is possible to disprove that he is Voldemort's, and his 
actions throughout OotP do so.

Then it is necessary to read "Spinner's End" again with that in mind.  
Because everything he tells Bellatrix, whether confabulated out of 
half-truths or not, is basically a lie.  He is representing himself to 
Bellatrix as a loyal Death eater when his actions OotP show that he 
cannot be one.

It is also necesssary to reconsider his orders to the DEs to leave 
Harry for the Dark Lord.