[HPforGrownups] Re: Nature of a Patronus / Snape's Patronus

[Kemper]

No: HPFGUIDX 153494

> Sue earlier:
> <snip> This leads us to a realy interesting point to ponder. In HBP,
>
> > chapter 4 we see Harry and DD standng in the Weasley's broom shed.
> > DD says, "There are only two people in the whole world who know the
> > full contents of the prophecy ... and they are both standing in this
> > smelly, spidery broom shed." A spider is crawling on DD's hat. I
> > believe this is SS, and this is what Jo was referring to when she
>
> > said telling us Snape's patronus would give too much away.</snip>
>
> RepliCarter replied:
>
> This is my first post here, so I hope I'm doing this right. If I'm not
please give me a heads
> up so I know how to correct my mistakes.
>
> If I'm understanding the spider theory correctly, you are saying that
Snape heard the entire
> prophecy. However according to Order of the Phoenix, Page 843 (Scholastic
Edition)
>
> "My - our - one stroke of good fortune was that the eavesdropper was
detected only a
> short way into the prophecy and thrown from the building."
>
> "So he only heard...?"
>
> "He heard only the first part, the part foretelling the birth of a boy in
July..."
>
> It continues on from there, but that's the important bit.
>
> Snape didn't hear the whole prophecy, so could not be one of the two
people.


Kemper now:
I have not bought into the idea of Snape being an animagus, but I think what
Sue is suggesting is that Snape's patronus is a spider and is assuming
naturally but without canon support that a person's corporeal patronus is
also the form of the that person's animagus (should they become one).

So what I'm inferring from what Sue is saying is that Snape is in the shed
with Harry and Dumbledore as a spider animagus and that Dumbledore has told
Snape about the prophecy.  It's Tricky!Dumbledore who tells the truth
without giving all the information (which, to me, is still lying by
omission).

Again, I haven't bought into this idea, but I'm window shopping.

As I started typing this, I began wondering about Dumbledore's patronus, a
phoenix, and wondering if he's an animagus.  Hermione only read who became
legal animagus within the twentieth century.  What if Dumbledore became one
prior to the turn of the last century?  He's old enough. What would this
mean?  Would he have the magical abilities of phoenix?  I would guess not
based on his use of Fawkes to take him out of the Headmaster's Office when
he's confronted about the DA.

Also, if a wizard's patronus can change shape due to heartache, can his
animagus form as well (assuming he is an animagus already)?

-Kemper


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