Understanding Snape/Snape and the "Chosen one"/Umbridge

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No: HPFGUIDX 153537

wynnleaf:
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> But actually, it makes almost no sense for Snape to put his life at
> such great risk from both Sirius and especially Lupin, solely to 
take
> an opportunity to capture or kill a hated school-time rival.  The
> degree of risk that Snape willingly takes on can only be explained 
by
> his seeing that the "benefit" of his action was equal to or 
outweighed
> the risk of his own life.  And what could be worth the substantial
> risk to his life?  I can't see a "for self only" Snape considering
> that the capture of Sirius was worth the risk of his own life at 
the
> teeth and claws of a werewolf.  Nor can I see why a "working for
> Voldemort" Snape would consider it worth that risk either.  The 
only
> thing that I can see that could be considered worth the risk Snape
> took, would be if Snape was on the good side and was attempting to
> save the lives of three others (the children).
> 
> I suppose that one might feel that Snape hated Sirius to such a 
degree
> that he'd risk his own life at the teeth of a werewolf in order to 
get
> Sirius, but I just don't think that's the sort of action a
> self-serving person would take.  After all, Snape knew for certain
> that Lupin was about to change.  The risk was huge that he'd be
> dealing with a werewolf.  I can't see a self-serving person taking
> such a risk solely to get at Sirius.


Alla:

I can totally see "out for himself" Snape to go out there to deal 
with Sirius. SNape is not just ANY self-serving person IMO ( that is 
if he is one of course, but my position is that I can see him as 
such)

Just think about it - the joy of getting hated school rival killed 
and not just killed but killed by the worst way imaginable - having 
his soul destroyed.

See, if you see Snape as someone who enjoys seeing people he hates 
in pain, who enjoys causing pain ( and I do see Snape as sadist), it 
makes a great deal of sense for him to try and capture Sirius and 
Lupin. I mean, yes, I would say that it is totally in character for 
Snape.

I am just saying that "out for himself" Snape WILL go to deal with 
Lupin and Sirius if for nothing else then to get his revenge and to 
get Order of Merlin.

Not getting into whether he had a right to do so or not, whether he 
WAS right, etc, just saying that to me it fits if Snape is OFH!too,

That of course works if Snape is DD!M too, but I don't see any 
contradictions for OFH!Snape.

I guess I AM saying that Snape hated Sirius that much ( and as JKR 
said the hatred was entirely mutual of course) to go and try to have 
a go at him.

> Catherine:
>   I expect Umbridge to get sort of just desserts, but I don't 
think it will include any moment of cathartic revelation on her 
part. Somehing bad will happen to her, and she'll probably 
think "why me?". 
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Alla:

Well, absolutely, I don't expect any catharfic revelation on her 
part either, but I am always puzzled (saying in general, not to your 
argument) why people bring up Umbridge as an example that bad guys 
do not get punished in "potterverse"

JKR said that Umbridge is still around because it is fun to torture 
her, no?

I personally have no doubt that in book 7 Umbridge will get her 
punishment and it will not be something minor, IMO.

And of course I would like to see Snape suffer too :) I really 
would. I will not be dissapointed in books if it would not happen ( 
My only dissapointment will be Harry dying), but for some reason I 
think that Snape will get something too.

Unfortunately it will be Harry's mercy, BUT I doubt that JKR will 
not give us at least one scene of major confrontation between those 
two and if it is well written, I will be happy too.