A Bizarre Theory on a Grand Scale

[Kelly Molinari]

No: HPFGUIDX 153587

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Goddlefrood" <gav_fiji at ...> wrote:
>
> This theory has been stewing within me for some time and has little,
> if any, canon support. What it does is explain a possible scenario
> that would put the entire Harry Potter series in a cocked hat and in
> some way put those who had not thought of this possibility on the
> alert for it (assuming it does unravel JKR's little secret).
>

<snip of a lot of backround material provided by Goddlefrood>


> Dumbledore's choice, as I will postulate, is the central driving
> force of the current position in the wizarding world. His choice,
> which he considered right, was to neutralise / destroy Lord Voldemort
> by whatever means necessary. If I am any where near to being correct
> then Albus would not have mentioned his plan to anyone else, with the
> possible exception of Aberforth – and this is the reason Aberforth
> will be important in book 7.
>
> The Theory:
>
> Dumbledore's choice was to manufacture the situation whereby Lord
> Voldemort would initiate his own downfall. What Albus discovered
> about Lord Voldemort during the course of his research was that he
> took prophecies seriously.




Kelly now:
   I also believe that DD *manufactured* the plan in which Lord
Voldemort would be defeated.


back to Goddlefrood:

> For this reason the prophecy was devised by Dumbledore to be espoused
> by Sybil Trelawney.


Kelly now:
     However, I don't believe that DD devised the Prophesy. I guess
that anything is possible but I just don't get the impression that DD,
or any wizard, has the power to cause someone to predict the future. I
believe that hearing the prophecy was DD's lucky break. It was then
and only then that he was able to set his *plan* into motion. The
prophecy does not seem to have a time limit, meaning that the chosen
one could come at the end of any seventh month. It was DD who chose
that it would happen the next year by insuring that Voldemort heard
the prophecy and act upon it. I believe he set Voldemort up.




< large snip>

Goddlefrood:
> and it is arranged that part, but not all, of it is overheard by
someone who would then report this back to Voldemort. It does not
alter the basic theory
> whether or not Snape is on Dumbledore or Lord Voldemort's side. <snip>
>The only important aspect is that Snape would report back to Lord
> Voldemort and he did.



Kelly now:
     As I stated above I don't think DD knew he would hear a prophecy
that night, so I dont think Snape was a plant either. Yet I think it
is important to recognize Snape's role in this. I don't believe that
Dumbledore could do this alone and so when Snape was caught he
enlisted Snape to help. You can read more on my opinion of this in
post #151662. Maybe later on DD needed to use Pettigrew also.



Goddlefrood:
> This was James and Lily's part in the grand design; they willingly
> sacrificed themselves for the greater good.


Kelly now:
   I believe that Dumbledore needed to know that Lily would sacrifice
herself to save Harry, and ultimately the Wizarding World. Otherwise
the Ancient Magic wouldn't work. So yes, I think she was in on the
plan too. I'm not quite sure about James.


Goddlefrood:
>snip> Dumbledore does not seem particularly
> surprised that Lord Voldemort returned to a body when he did and this
> may also have something to do with the notorious gleam (because the
> final phase of the plan could then be initiated and duly was).
>
> For the next six years from the time Harry enters the wizarding world
> Dumbledore prepares him for his final showdown with Lord Voldemort,
> which is slated for a year later. Dumbledore has given Harry all he
> can by this stage in order to succeed including his embedded agent /
> agents.


Kelly now:
   Dumbledore does not seem to be surprised by anything. Some
examples: Sirius' innocence, Pettigrew living at Hogwarts disguised as
Ron's rat, Hagrid's innocence, Voldemort possessing Quirrel, the trio
discovering the Philosopher's Stone (as well as saving it from
Voldemort), Crouch Jr as Moody, I can go on and on. It seems to me
that unless there was some underlying plan in the works that
Dumbledore would have noticed at least some of these unsettling
occurances and done something about them while they were happening.



> snip>
> His whole thing is to prepare Harry for what only he
> can do – which is to neutralise Lord Voldemort with the tools Lord
> Voldemort himself has given to Harry.


Kelly now:
    IMO Dumbledore NEEDS Harry Potter to vanquish the Dark Lord. It
was foretold by the prophecy, helped along by the *choices* of
Dumbledore, Voldemort, and possibly Lily, Pettigrew, and Snape. It is
the only hope of saving the Wizarding World.



> Goddlefrood:

> If, as many theorists expect, there is to be a parallel between book
> 3 and book 7 then I propose the major revelation will be that all the
> time Peter has been working for Dumbledore. It certainly would give
> an extraordinarily good reason as to why Peter was and remains a
> Gryffindor. And some of you thought Dumbledore was sloppy.
>
> It certainly would explain an awful lot of incongruities.


Kelly now:
   Including how a mediocre wizard was able to blow up a street, kill
all those muggles, frame Sirius Black and remain hidden for 13 years.




Kelly, who thinks Dumbledore might be a lot of things, but certainly is
not sloppy.