Horcrux: was Baptism/Christianity in HP

[a_svirn]

No: HPFGUIDX 153668

> > a_svirn:
> > Yes, but what IS that much-vaunted underlying meaning? It is all 
> > very well to depress pretensions by saying that the meaning of 
> > Christ's sacrifice is too enormous for mere mortals to 
comprehend 
> > and all who disagree with you are deliberately short-sighted, 
but 
> > thing is, it's not enough. Now that you identified all that 
> > parallels with the Bible would you mind disclosing their 
> > significance? Why someone who represents the risen Christ happen 
> > to be married to someone who represents an apostle? What is so 
> > Christian about "power and destruction?" And what with all those 
> > other people that were baptised but failed to repel AKs? Were 
they 
> > not welcome to the Kingdom of Christ, after all? 
> 
> Leslie41:
> Again, I'm not talking about a direct allegory here.  I don't 
> particularly like allegory.  If you do, read Spenser.  What I'm 
> pointing out is firstly that names are important, and that many of 
> those names have biblical significance, as well as the placement 
of 
> the scar, etc.  There are Christian overtones to the situation at 
> Godric's Hollow.
> 
> And as I've said, I don't think that baptism is some sort of a 
> ward.  What I believe is that Harry's scar makes us think of 
baptism.

a_svirn:
You know, I think I object to your name-dropping even more than I 
object to being called short-sighted. First Julian of Norwich, now 
Spenser. Would you mind explaining what you mean without hiding 
behind noted authorities? If you say that names are important don't 
stop there, explain in what way they are important. A mere assertion 
of their importance does not explain anything at all. If you say 
that Harry's baptism is significant for the story, again, don't stop 
there explain in what way it's significant. You first said that 
baptism provided Harry with a shield of a sort. Then you were 
obliged to admit that it's no shield at all, because it does not 
provide any real protection against Voldemort. Very well, what is 
its significance then? Not in the context of Christian culture, but 
in the context of this story? 

> > a_svirn:
> > Yet he was christened Harry, which  – as you yourself said –  
> > means  "power and destruction"!
> 
> Leslie41:
> Christened as such, yes!  But he has to evolve out of that. That's 
> his task in the seventh book.  

a_svirn:
Then his Christian name provided him with all the wrong values, 
didn't it? So much for being baptised. 


 > a_svirn:
> > On a more profound level, there is nothing Christian about
> > Horcruxes. It seems that Rowling's special brand of spiritualism
> > draws on syncretic folklore rather than on Christian beliefs. 
> 
> Leslie41:
> Do you know what a "crux" is?  It means "cross."  
> 
> The word "hore" in middle/old english means "whore".  
Whorecrosses.  
> Makes sense. 

a_svirn:
Does it? Sounds like utter nonsense to me. 


> Leslie41:
>In the bible whores are associated with idolatry and 
> faithlessness to god.  

a_svirn:
Or really?  And what about that female sinner that anointed Christ's 
feet? And even if the Whore of Babylon can be said to have been 
faithless to God I still don't see what whores in the Bible an out 
of it have to do with immortality.