Horcrux: was Baptism/Christianity in HP

[a_svirn]

No: HPFGUIDX 153721

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "leslie41" <leslie41 at ...> 
wrote:
>
> > > Leslie41:
I would assume that you are a) not a Christian, or b) a 
> > > Christian with an ego the size of Montana.  
> > 
> > a_svirn:
> > You mean I have a choice? That's magnanimous of you. 
> 
> Leslie41:
> Thanks!  And which one of those choices would you pick?   

a_svirn:
Weellc A Christian with an ego the size of Montana? I guess, enot a 
Christianf would be a lesser evil.  Not swell of course, but one has 
to make the best of onefs choices. 

 
> Leslie41:
> I said if *you* like allegories, read Spenser.  Anyone who likes 
> allegory should read Spenser.
> 
> For those of us who are not fond of allegory, Spenser makes us 
> barf.  It takes all kinds.

a_svirn:
Yet you still havenft explained the significance of names in the HP 
books. Why donft you? At this point I would agree even for some 
noted authority to guide me. Since you clearly un-er-willing to do 
so. 


> > a_svirn:
> > Let me see„£ Lily's sacrifice and Harry's baptism are kind of 
> > complimentary? Part of the same spiritual experience? Wow!  Now 
I 
> > know why all the others failed to repel AKs! You'd need someone 
to 
> > sacrifice their life for baptism to work as spiritual 
protection. 
> > Alternatively sacrifice without baptism wouldn't work at all, 
> > since they come in one package. According to your logic if 
> > Voldemort had managed to track the Potters down before Harry had 
> > been baptised all Lilly's love as well as her sacrifice would 
have 
> > been in vain. 
> 
> Leslie41:
> 
> Well, Harry *didn't* track down the Potters before Harry was 
> baptized, did he? And I don't know where you are getting the idea 
> that Lily's love would have been "in vain" had Harry not been 
> baptized.  My logic does not lead there at all.  

a_svirn:
Yes it does. Since you say that it is gpart and parcel of the same 
experienceh, Lillyfs sacrifice wouldnft have worked without 
baptism.  


> Leslie41: 
> Hrm.  Let's see if I can make myself clearer by using another work 
> as a parallel.  

a_svirn:
<Snip the parallel> You know, the accepted procedure in any 
discussion is that you first formulate an argument and then provide 
an example to illustrate it. Since you skipped the former and moved 
straight to the latter, I donft know what to make of your 
illustration. 

> > > Leslie41:
<snip>Evil in the end harms itself.
> 
> > a_svirn:
> > Then why fight it at all? Let it harm itself. 
> 
> Leslie41:
> Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, I think.  

a_svirn:
Bravo. A very adroit way to avoid an uncomfortable question. 

> 
> > > Leslie41:
> > > The basic fact that I keep coming back to is that his parents 
> > > thought Harry's baptism extremely important. 
> > 
> > a_svirn:
> > We don't know it. There is no canon to support this statement. 
> 
> Leslie41:
> The baptism must have been awfully important to them.  If it 
weren't 
> important to them, they would not have done it.  It's that simple. 


a_svirn:
It is not. Millions of people go through all the motions without 
thinking them really significant. 

> > > Leslie41:
> > > Selling one's body for money is thought by most to be 
> > > immoral.  "Whoring" also has another connotation, also 
negative 
> > > (I know of no positive one).  We speak of people who 
have "sold 
> > > their souls" so to speak as "whores".  It doesn't always have 
a 
> > > sexual connotation. 
> > > 
> > a_svirn:
> > While I allow that *whoring* and *whoredom* in biblical use have 
> > connotation of idolatry and unfaithfulness to the true God, the 
> > interpretation of "selling one's soul" is something you made up.
> 
> Leslie41:
> Au contraire, mon frere.  Look it up yourself on the internet.  
> Whore: definition.  You'll find lots of interesting definitions 
that 
> I most definitely did not "make up."

a_svirn:
Why donft you save me the trouble? Give me a link to any on-line 
dictionary with a meaning for *whore* as esomeone whofs sold his or 
her soulf. Because right now your exercises in etymology and 
semantics remind me those of Mistress Quickly from the gMerry Wives 
of Windsorh:
 
EVANS. What is your genitive case plural, William?
WILLIAM. Genitive case?
EVANS. Ay.
WILLIAM. Genitive: horum, harum, horum.
QUICKLY. Vengeance of Jenny's case; fie on her! Never
    name her, child, if she be a whore.


> Leslie41:
>  As for Voldemort and idolatry, I'd have to 
> think on that.

a_svirn:
You do that.