Horcrux: was Baptism/Christianity in HP

[a_svirn]

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> Leslie41:
> I don't see how that logically follows, any more than it logically 
> follows that without a white dress and a priest one cannot be 
> married.  Yet, in many cases, a white dress and a priest are "part 
> and parcel of the same experience."
>  

a_svirn:
Actually, I would say that you cannot be married without a priest at 
least – if we are talking about Christian wedding. If you can, then 
you are reducing a priest to something superficial – like that same 
white dress. If you regard Harry's baptism like something 
superficial as well, then yes, it can be part of the same experience 
together with Lilly's sacrifice the same way white dress is part of 
wedding experience. If, however, you attach any real significance to 
baptism then you face the dilemma. Either it is altogether different 
experience with its own deep meaning, in which case it has nothing 
to do with the sacrifice, or it's an integral part of it, meaning 
part of the same protective magic that Lilly invoked. There is a 
very simple logical device to verify the second supposition. Remove 
the baptism part out of the equation and see what happens. Could 
Harry's life have been saved without baptism? Everything we know 
from canon seems to point to the affirmative. The Lilly's 
sacrificial love was all that needed to do the trick. 


Leslie41:
> > > Au contraire, mon frere.  Look it up yourself on the 
internet.  
> > > Whore: definition.  You'll find lots of interesting 
definitions 
> > > that I most definitely did not "make up."
> > 
> > a_svirn:
> > Why donft you save me the trouble? Give me a link to any on-
line 
> > dictionary with a meaning for *whore* as esomeone whofs sold 
his 
> > or her soulf. 
> 
> Leslie41:
> Yes, sir!
> 
> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whore
> 
> "to compromise one's principles for personal gain".
> 
> http://m-w.com/dictionary/whore
> 
> "a venal or unscrupulous person".
> 
> http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
> 
> "to pursue a faithless, unworthy, or idolatrous desire".
> 
> I think the key definition is the first one, though the others are 
> relevant as well. If what you're asking for is a specific 
definition 
> that it means "to sell one's soul," you won't find that.  Because 
the 
> idea of selling one's soul is a metaphor--for "compromising 
> principles for personal gain."

a_svirn:
Metaphor doesn't help your cause any. You'd need a very literal 
sense to link whores to immortality or "wrong" immortality.