Book 7, Dumbledore

[Tonks]

No: HPFGUIDX 153970

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "canyoutellmehowtoget" 
<joemurphyus at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "marinacat06"
> <marinacat06@> wrote:
> >
> > Does everyone truly think that DD is
> dead? I have my doubts, there was no more mention of seeing DD 
after (his death), Fawkes' song sounds like he is really working 
hard at doing somthing, (snip)

> Joe:
> 
> Whether or not DD is dead, both LV and HP believe he is an will
> behave based on that understanding which they must. HP must defeat
> LV on his own to fulfill the hero's journey without the crutch of
> his mentor to assist him. In the end the hero's quest must be his
> own.
> 

Tonks:
I think that DD is dead.  I too wondered what Fawkes was doing.  It 
was something very different, something meant for DD alone. (IMO)  
And it also connected to something deep in Harry the same as it did 
in COS.  I think that there is some connection there between what 
happened in the chamber of secrets and what was happening to DD 
under the tower. (As I am typing this I do see a connection.  Since 
I have said that the COS was the tomb of Christ, and I see DD as a 
symbol of Christ, to me it ties together. And I think that JKR meant 
to tie those two images together in that moment.) I wondered if 
Fawkes song were some sort of healing song. A resurrection song. 
Since I think that DD is a Christ figure I do think that we will see 
him again. Perhaps at the very end of book 7.  It would be fitting 
that he would appear to Luna first. I also think that Fawkes will 
come back earlier to help Harry.

As to the hero's quest. How do we know that JKR is doing the 
standard thing? Why does she *have* to do what someone says is the 
right way to do a coming of age, hero's quest sort of thing. Can't 
she do something different?? Harry is the hero of the story, but he 
is Everyman, he is every one of us. He is every child, every man, 
every woman. And if he is to be our role model of how to evolve (the 
Alchemical transformation) then doesn't it follow that maybe he will 
not "do it alone".  Like Snape said Harry gets by with luck and help 
from his more talented friends.  I think Snape is really telling the 
truth here. Harry has some talents, yes. We all do. But none of us 
is a super hero.  How can this book be a guide for children or 
adults if the hero is a super hero?  What if he were an ordinary 
mortal with talents for some things and not for others, but with the 
ability, unlike LV, to ask for help or accept help when it is 
offered.  What if he does win the day because he is not a loner?  LV 
is a loner.  Harry is not.  Harry can love and in loving he has 
friends that care for him and help him.  He would die for his 
friends and his friends would die for him.  They would not give 
their lives in the way that a DE would lay down his/her life for 
LV.  Harry friends would fight beside him and die with or for him, 
because Harry's friends also have the ability to love.  Just a 
thought. 

Tonks_op