Hating Dark Arts (was re James' essence...)

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 154113

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Marion Ros" <mros at ...> wrote:
 The poor woman might've grown mad with grief. I'd say she was 
probably a graceful, if oldfashioned, woman when her boys were still 
young. Exasperated by her oldest son, no doubt. But nothing tells us 
that Sirius' parents were abusive or didn't love him.

Alla:

I'd say Mrs. Black portrait, if it reflects her RL personality tells 
us A LOT about how much she "loved" Sirius. But that is IMO of course.


Marion:
<SNIP>
  Lupin was a Dark Creature and how cool is *that*! Wouldn't his 
mother just *scream* if she knew he ran with a Werewolf each month! 
(hey, this is Sirius, the Pureblood who drove a charmed *motorbike*, 
a thing both Muggle and associated with rebellion) 

Alla:

Just another possibility to suggest here. Maybe Sirius also genuinely 
liked Remus as a person? 


Marion:
>> Snape is a ickle firstie, but also a very clever, shorttempered, 
ambitious little firstie. And when provokes, he hexes. And the hexes 
he uses are hexes no-one has ever *heard* of. Even Bellatrix is 
impressed. And if cousin Bellatrix is impressed, those hexes 
*must've* been Dark Arts, right? And that ugly little nobody (because 
who has ever heard of the *Snapes* after all) doesn't even behave as 
he should to his social superiors!! When you tell him to move, he 
spits abuse. When you manhandle him slightly ("as a *joke* you know") 
he kicks and bites and *hexes* you. Who does this rude, ugly kid in 
his secondhand gowns and his washed-so-often-they-are-grey underwear 
think he is? Sirius is a *Black*! That is practically *royalty*, you 
know! I'm telling you James, that kid is up to his eyeballs in the 
Dark Arts. Didn't he impress my horrid cousin Bellatrix? And isn't 
she Bad News? My entire *family* is bad news. Well, they're all 
Slytherin as well. That tells you something.."
> 
> Self-justification, we call that.

Alla:

Cousin Belatrix is the one who ended up supporting one of the darkest 
wizards in WW, it seems to me, so maybe if she was impressed with 
Snape hexes, they were indeed Dark hexes?

Reasonable possibility, I call that.


Marion: 
> And James swallowed it. Well, he might've been a very bright boy, 
but he was also an *eleven year old*, very spoiled, very pampered, 
very protected, very rich boy. The only son of doting elderly 
parents. Deferred to by his parents clients, no doubt. Homeschooled. 
Private tutor, perhaps? 

Alla:

The only son of the elderst parents, yes. Rich, yes. Canon, please 
for spoiled and pampered if you do't mind.

Marion:
> Both James and Sirius are very spoiled. Oh, they're charming and 
clever and they charmed their way into their teacher's hearts. Aren't 
those children charming and clever and *well-bred*?! But let one of 
their peers refuse to be charmed, let one of them have ambitions, not 
to be a syncophant like Pettigrew, but a mover and shaker on his own 
merit (but being a Slytherin not necessarily one that's in the 
spotlight) and all hell breaks loose.
> 
> That's how the whole Marauder versus Snape War began, if you ask me.

Alla:

Sure, just as valid speculation as any if you ask me. 

Marion; 
> One more thing on the "James hated Dark Arts" thing, though: for a 
group that so hated Dark magic, they apparantly had no trouble using 
it themselves. I don't even mean the fact that they had no moral 
issue with stealing Snape's homemade hexes and using it on others 
(just like Harry who thinks a toenail-growing hex is quite hilarious 
when sneakily cast at Vincent Crabbe - or Greg Goyle, I forget which -
 but who thought it ab-so-lutely unforgivable when Malfoy cast a 
teeth-growing hex on Hermione. Well, I for one see no difference)
> 
> No, I mean that blasted Map.

Alla:

I am asking you for canon again, if you don't mind for James and 
Sirius "STEALING" those homemade hexes by Snape.

It is also possible that they SAW Snape showing those hexes to 
somebody else or even somebody else using them, IMO.

After all half of the school used levicorpus at one time, according 
to Lupin.

JMO,

Alla