Cold Fish Dumbledore

[Tonks]

No: HPFGUIDX 154226

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at ...> 
wrote:
>
> > Tonks:
> > Just because you can know how a psychopath thinks doesn't mean 
that you *are* one yourself.  Once a psychopath, always a 
psychopath. That is the only type of Personality Disorder that can 
not be fixed.  The damage is done very early in infancy.  If a 
person can't bond with other, they can never bond with others.  So 
DD was *never* like LV!!
> > 

> Pippin:
> Ah, but if Harry  is a message of divine love, empowered by
> Lily's sacrifice, then surely a miracle is not beyond its power? 
(Snip)> 
>  I am not saying that Harry or Dumbledore *did* anything to
> bring this about, except that Dumbledore made a lifelong effort
> to live as though he did feel love for his fellow beings (and 
> incidentally seems to have done a better job of it than those 
> more culpable folks who take their ability to love for granted.)
> 
>  My understanding is that it's possible for a psychopath to do 
> that, though by making Dumbledore so fantastically old when
> he experienced a bond, Rowling insulates herself from raising 
> false hopes for real people. It is interesting that all the 
> emotional attachment Dumbledore shows is for Harry. We
> can't tell if he feels attached to anyone else.
> 
(Snip)
> It really isn't enough to say that Voldemort feared Dumbledore
> because Dumbledore was such a powerful wizard. 

Tonks:
It is true that a psychopath could *choose* to *act* in a loving 
manner towards others. But they would not feel love or have a real 
bond with another. They can change their behavior.

I guess a true *miracle* of the magnitude that you describe could 
happen. It would be very rare, IM(professional)O. (Almost like the 
dead being raised.) But I think that if it has or ever will happen 
in the series it will be with LV himself.  DD has never, never, been 
a psychopath (AKA Anti-social Personality Disorder).

I don't see DD as a cold fish at all.  I was going to suggest that 
he was a "thinking" type as opposed to a "feeling" type if he took 
the Myers-Briggs test, but I personally don't see him as that cold 
so I don't think of him as a "thinking" type personality.  Maybe 
that is because I being a feeling type myself see the thinking types 
as not only cold but cruel. And DD is not like that. The 'twinking 
eyes' shows him as a loving man.

I think the reason that DD didn't see the problem with Snape and 
Harry coming was that he expected that Snape could overcome this. 
Snape IMO, being a member of the Order is probably expected to 
progress in his own Alchemical process of Spiritual perfection.  And 
DD would have expected Snape to work on and overcome that little 
problem. 

DD is detached to some extent I guess. But there is such a thing 
as "holy detachment".  The eqivalant of `not wearing your heart on 
your sleeve'. I am not sure what others expect to see in DD to prove 
that he Loves deeply. I see him as a very kind, loving man. And 
apparently so does half the WW, as evidenced by his funeral. Most of 
those people were not there out of duty.

As to why LV fears him. I think it is because DD *knows* Tom.  DD 
knows Tom from a child, sees him for who and what he really is.  
Unlike others who fear LV, DD has no fear of him.  Someone without 
fear is a threat like no other.  And LV knows this.  He can not 
intimidate DD like he can other people.  When he tries, DD just 
turns to him and says "Tom

.."  

Tonks_op