Harry' s arrogance and Horcruxes/surprises in the books WAS: Re: Evil Snape

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No: HPFGUIDX 154252

> Nikkalmati:
> Harry's arrogance has nothing to do with the Tower scene, it is a  
> personality characteristic.  He always thinks he knows better than 
anyone  else.  He 
> doesn't listen to others' opinions and he has been getting worse  
as he gets 
> older. 

Alla:

Thanks for clarifying, but I do disagree with that too. I mean, 
SOMETIMES Harry certainly thinks that he knows better and I think 
that it sometimes true and sometimes not.After all, but for him and 
Ron Ginny would have died.

But it is getting worse as he gets older? Where do you see it?

I am having trouble naming one person of the top of my head whom he 
did not tell about his suspicions about Draco. Where is the 
arrogance here? He went to adults with the problem ( whole lot of 
good it helped him too< IMO) probably for the first time in his life.


 
> Example: his certain belief in his own POV leads him to 
misrepresent to the  
> Order what DD told him about why Snape left LV.  

Alla:

Sherry dealt with this one really well, IMO.


Example 2: he refuses to confide in  McGonnagal 
> about where he and DD were that night, apparently thinking he  
knew best again. 
> HBP 626.  I bet that keep it to myself attitude turns out  to be a 
mistake in 
> Book 7.

Alla:

He honors the wishes of his dead mentor, which was just now 
viciously  murdered ( that is not a fact of course, only my opinion, 
but that is how I see it till JKR calls it otherwise :))

Where is the arrogance here? I guess Harry is damned when he does 
and damned when he does not.

I remember so many arguments after OOP saying how stupidly Harry 
behaved because he did NOT listen to DD wishes and did not study 
Occlumency.

I was not buying that argument either, at least in part, because I 
think that putting Harry and Snape together was NOT smart atll, 
although Harry certainly should have tried harder.

BUT now Harry listens to Dumbledore wishes and does NOT tell anybody 
but Ron and Hermione about Prophecy and he is arrogant again?

Frankly, I think this is "don't tell anyone but Ron and Hermione" 
about Horcruxes is simply a plot device to put adults even more in a 
back seat than they are now and put Trio even more center stage.

Am repeating my prediction here - adults will play VERY minor roles 
in Horcruxes  quest if any ( except maybe Alberwoth and Regulus if 
he is alive)

Trio comes into their own. They are the heroes now and they will do 
horcruxes hunting IMO with the help of other younger generation.

I am not quite sure whar order will be doing in book 7, if anything, 
unfortunately. IMO of course.

I mean, maybe doing some minor DE hunting. Mcgonagall is out, so 
whole Order with her is out of the loop, no?


Nikkalmati:
<SNIP>
  
The odds are that  whatever you 
> see JKR is going to turn it around.    I am sure  there are plenty 
of surprises 
> waiting in Book 7, so, yes, keep an open  mind.

Alla:

Yes, there are plenty of surprises in the books, on the other hand - 
there plenty of pretty straightforward stuff with the "anvil sized 
clues", you know? :)

What saved Harry in DOM battle? His heart. What is the power that 
will help him win? Nothing more complicated that love, just love.

And shipping of course is a good example of very straightforward 
stuff happening IMO.

So, I will keep an open mind of course, but it also  IMO sometimes 
pays out to think that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, even in 
Potterverse.

Have you seen a REALLY big surprise in the books since Scabbers 
turned to be Peter?

I mean, Fake!Moody counts, I guess, but after that?

I don't know about you, but in OOP after I learned that Prophecy was 
made about Harry and Voldie, I was staring at the page and saying -
 "that's it?"

When I read about Horcruxes, I was forcefully reminded of Katchey 
from the Russian fairy tales, who preserves his soul in a quite 
similar way that Voldie did ( not exactly, but close) and I was not 
exactly saying "that's it", but I am not sure I can count it as a 
big plot twist either.

I totally expected something MUCH more complicated in Voldy's quest 
for immortality.

So, I am thinking that it is a big possibility that ending will not 
be a big twist, but something that many of us will say " that's it?"

I could be wrong of course.

JMO,

Alla