The Gleam, The Blood, and TM Riddle (Long)

[mooseming]

No: HPFGUIDX 154257

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "rebecca" <dontask2much at ...> 
wrote:
>
> I started this effort researching the whole "Harry's got Lily's 
eyes and
> what does THAT mean?" question, but I keep getting drawn back to 
the gleam
> in Dumbledore's eye at His Dark Lordshipness taking and using 
Harry's blood
> for his rebirthing in GoF.  Note to all who read:  this is only 
what I think
> is the case.  Feel more than free to have your own view and share, 
will you,
> please?
> 
> I'm asking myself "how thick could you get?" in relation to why 
Voldemort
> would do what he did after reading all that I could about ancient 
blood
> rituals.  Ancient beliefs about blood were remarkably similiar to 
what
> Voldemort did in taking Harry's blood for his rebirthing - the 
practice of
> using the strength of your enemy's blood to sustain and empower 
yourself is
> rampant through ancient times. It is believed the same substance 
can cleanse
> or defile, drive men to fury and murder or appease anger and 
restore life.
> IMO, Voldemort's got a problem and a big one: if any of the above 
is true,
> he's now got some, well..... shall we say, "issues."  Let's 
discuss...
> 
> In ancient times, it was believed that you had to extremely 
careful about
> taking enemy blood for yourself , because the following could be 
true:
> 
> -  The enemy's soul, life experiences, personality or a 
combination of all
> three were in the blood
> -  You acquired not only the strengths, but could acquire the 
weaknesses of
> your opponent, too
> -  Drinking or using your enemy's blood constitued a "bond" 
between you and
> the person from whom you took the blood.
> -  Just because you killed your opponent and bested him doesn't 
mean that if
> you take his blood for your own purposes, that your enemy couldn't 
best you
> in the end from *within you.*
> 
> Now, on to the guesswork. Trays in the upright position......exits 
to the
> left and right....
> 
> First, as Dumbledore says, Voldemort's use of Harry's blood now 
allows him
> to overcome the "particular hurdle" of touching Harry without harm 
to
> himself. Protection there nullified, however isn't there more to 
Harry's
> blood than just the bond of blood protection by his mother's 
sacrifice?
> (Note: Dumbledore says "particular hurdle" which can mean he's 
implying
> there's more than one for Voldemort associated with Harry's 
blood.) If Harry
> really has a piece of T.M. Riddle in his head, then Voldemort's 
use of
> Harry's blood might just even that score, too. How?
> 
> Seatbelts tightened, please.
> 
> Harry is repeatedly told, by Dumbledore, how unusual and unique he 
is with
> all he's endured, specifically that Harry's soul is "untarnished 
and whole"
> whereas Voldemort's is not:
> 
> "You are protected, in short, by your ability to love!" said Dum­
bledore
> loudly. "The only protection that can possibly work against the 
lure of
> power like Voldemort's! In spite of all the temptation you have 
endured, all
> the suffering, you remain pure of heart, just as pure as you were 
at the age
> of eleven, when you stared into a mir­ror that reflected your 
heart's
> desire, and it showed you only the way to thwart Lord Voldemort, 
and not
> immortality or riches." (HBP)
> 
> Note this from SS/PS about the blood protection:
> 
> "Not a scar, no visible sign... to have been loved so deeply, even 
though
> the person who loved us is gone, will give us some protection 
forever. It is
> in your very skin."
> 
> And this from Dumbledore in the Ministry of Magic (OoP) during his 
battle
> with Voldemort:
> 
> 'We both know that there are other ways of destroying a man, Tom."
> 
> What better way to destroy a man than from within his very self? 
IMO,  the
> blood Voldemort took from Harry now acts as a permanent medium to 
introduce
> all those "weaknesses" Lord Voldemort perceives Harry as having: 
love,
> friendship, trust, a complete and untarnished soul along with the 
protection
> of a mother, which we know the Dark Lord never had.
> 
> Maybe Voldemort can deploy Occulmency against Harry all day long 
to avoid
> Harry having access to his thoughts, but it may be another story 
for the
> Dark Lord when he's being peppered with doubts, emotion or 
confusion from
> within and perhaps he can't control it as much as he'd like to. 
Remember,
> Harry is described by Dumbledore as being "pure of heart' which 
one can
> infer means that his blood is pure in this way, too. 
Those "feelings" or
> thoughts might not be blocked by Occlumency (which Dumbledore 
believes that
> Voldemort is using against Harry at the beginning of HBP) because 
perhaps
> they come from *Voldemort's skin*, just as Harry's protection is in
> his skin.  And look out, time might make that worse and take the 
edge off
> Voldemort's somewhat considerable power.  He certainly didn't risk 
a second
> turn at Dumbledore himself after OoP, preferring instead to plot, 
plan and
> scheme and keep his Dark Butt out of the fray.
> 
> What was the rebirthing other than a potion/spell combination? And 
who do we
> know who is proficient at potions and spells? I think someone is 
going to
> give Harry the "clue" about using Voldemort's mistake to his 
advantage (and
> I think it was a HUGE error on Voldemort's part - one Wormtail 
tried
> inadvertently to avoid  for him.) . By using Harry's blood for his
> restoration, Voldemort left the door open for several situations 
to occur,
> however one I am specifically drawn to is putting into play what's 
perhaps
> in Harry, allowing it to spring into action.  You know, that 
mysterious
> piece of one T.M. Riddle which Harry thought he couldn't possibly 
have known
> as a friend as a younger child, even though the name was familiar 
to him in
> that manner.
> 
> T.M Riddle might help Harry through Book 7 and the Horcux hunt; 
here's what
> I perceive as T.M Riddle's influencing Harry to understand 
innately how to
> destroy the diary horcrux:
> 
> "Then, without thinking, without considering, as though he had 
meant to do
> it all along, Harry seized the basilisk fang on the floor next to 
him and
> plunged it straight into the heart of the book."
> 
> And this interesting description of how Harry reacted after 
destroying the
> diary:
> 
> "Shaking all over, Harry pulled himself up. His head was spinning 
as though
> he'd just traveled miles by Floo powder."
> 
> There's also the mention of Harry's ability to throw off the 
Imperius curse
> in GoF - who is the little voice in Harry's head? The same voice 
also
> appears to encourage Harry in PoA to kill Sirius when he has the 
chance.
> Now, let's travel to the emotion Harry feels at an Easter egg 
Ginny gives
> him from Mrs. Weasley in OoP:
> 
> "She handed him a handsome chocolate egg decorated with small, 
iced Snitches
> and, according to the packaging, containing a bag of Fizzing 
Whizzbees.
> Harry looked at it for a moment, then, to his horror, felt a lump 
rise in
> his throat.
> 
> 'Are you OK, Harry?' Ginny asked quietly.
> 
> 'Yeah, I'm fine,' said Harry gruffly. The lump in his throat was 
painful. He
> did not understand why an Easter egg should have made him feel 
like this"
> 
> I suspect that T.M. Riddle, if he's there in Harry, knows now 
concepts like
> love, sacrifice, friendship, honor, trust, tolerance, and kindness 
really
> *do* exist. He's had Harry's untarnished and complete soul as an 
example.
> Give that part back to Voldemort while he's in a skin which was 
partly
> produced and perhaps influenced by Harry's blood - well, there may 
be a
> result astonishing to behold.
> 
> For Voldemort, such an event may result in knowledge, which begets 
truth,
> and with truth, self realization and reality. A life well lived is 
truly
> better than a life not lived to the fullest at all and that, my 
friends, is
> not something I  think any of us want to have at the point of 
death.
> 
> Rebecca, who is glad to get this out of *her* head, thank you very 
much
>
Ah I know *that* feeling!

Sorry, couldn't find a meaningful way to snip your post and seeing 
as how you posted it a while back decided to simply add my thoughts 
at the end.

I agree and
I don't!

That Harry and Voldy's final confrontation will be a battle of wills 
not of wands I concur. Is there redemption in store for the 
Voldybeast, hum, I think not. 

Your excellent thoughts on the `blood thing' led me to the following 
conclusion.

First up how could Voldy think using Harry's blood was a `good' 
idea? Why did DD think otherwise? Well Voldy is obsessed with the 
power of blood and blood purity, this in the HP world is a bad 
thing. He has a misplaced belief that blood matters above other 
heart related qualities: loyalty, love, sacrifice, compassion. If 
Voldy thinks that Harry's blood will in some measure give him 
protection from "The one with the power to vanquish the dark lord" 
he is surely sorely mistaken. DD's gleam then is perhaps an 
understanding that Voldy believes himself stronger than he is, over 
confidence being the vulnerability most likely to knobble your power 
hungry villain. Harry as a weapon has *not* been defused but Voldy 
doesn't know that and DD does.

Is there something more, however, to Harry's blood and the 
reincarnation? Has Voldy in some way become rehumanised leading 
ultimately to his defeat as you suggest. There is a certain appeal 
to the idea that whatever the connection between Voldy and Harry is, 
it has in some way been balanced by this action. Of course we don't 
know what that connection is, indeed it's kept the theorists very 
busy; Salazar`s legacy, Harry as Horcrux, Harry as Tom's son, who 
knows, we can all agree with Moody there is something odd about that 
boy! Whatever it is it's ambiguous, Harry has gained some of Voldy's 
powers and seen his actions and thoughts, Voldy has been able to 
manipulate Harry, the balance then is already evident.

For me Voldy has chosen to dehumanise himself bath tubs of blood 
cannot alter the outcome, there is no redemption for Voldemort. 
There is only one response to what he has become, or more 
specifically what Tom Riddle has become and that is pity. So yes 
Voldy will be defeated from within, Tom Riddle the child, the true 
victim of Lord Voldemort's machinations is his Achilles heel which 
is why DD calls him Tom. Why can Harry, a boy, so unequal in 
knowledge and experience to Voldmort defeat him? Because the boy Tom 
is the riddle to be answered and who better to answer that than 
Harry Potter.

Regards
Mooseming