Who dies?/Evil Snape

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No: HPFGUIDX 154417

>> Geoff:
> As a noun, reprieve is defined as:
> (1) The cancellation of a punishment
> (2) A respite from difficulty or danger
> 
> A very common UK usage was the rescinding of a death sentence - 
> when we still had capital punishment.
>

Alla:

Yes, thank you Geoff and everybody who so kindly explained the 
meaning. I think I will remember it forever now. Thanks, guys. :)

Hmmmm, who gets is then? It could be sooo anybody, but I think 
either Ron or Snape and of course Ron is preferably to me :)

And yes, I agree with Pam that JKR told us nothing - still ANY 
number of characters could be SCHEDULED to live or scheduled to die.
Hmmmm.



>> Julie:
> Why does Snape have to be a saint to save Harry? He's been saving 
> Harry since Book 1, even though he hates the little brat (his 
view). 
> He can do it again on the Tower while still hating the brat,  
because
> it is what *DD* wants, and because it's what will save the WW (and
> even because he doesn't want Harry dead even if he hates him).
>  
> And why exactly could it "NEVER" occur as Carol suggested? <SNIP>  
> Alla:
> > Snape's life is ALWAYS in the equasion, because if he does  not 
kill 
> > DD, he is well... dead, no?
>  
> Julie:
> This is true, but we don't really know whether Snape was willing to
> die or not. I think he *was* willing to die rather than kill  
Dumbledore
> but Dumbledore wouldn't allow it, because it would mean Harry's
> likely death too. If Snape could have gotten out of the whole thing
> with his death being the only one, I think he would have taken that
> option in a heartbeat. But that option wasn't there. 

Alla:

I was not clear.  Sorry about that. Snape does NOT have to be a 
Saint to save Harry, BUT IMO Snape absolutely does have to be a 
saint to make the choice that Carol suggests would feature :

1) To save Dumbledore OR

2) To save Harry.

Meaning to make a choice where Snape  life is not taken into account 
when Snape makes his decision.

As I said earlier - there is UV lurking on the horizon, so I am not 
buying that Snape does not care whether it kicks in or not.

There may be a time frame on it, or not, but how would Snape know 
for sure?
 
> Julie,  who's never seen evidence of Snape clinging to his joyless 
life 
> no matter the cost as Voldemort and Wormtail are wont to  do.

Alla:

He did NOT want to go to Azkaban, where people go mad with grief and 
die, didn't he?

To me that means that Snape does cling to his life and dearly so.

> Pippin:
> I believe in the interviews, but there is nothing in them to say 
that
> Snape was the killer. JKR is an admirer of Agatha Christie, and it
> would be very Christie to have a fake AK followed by a real death
> caused by other means, especially since we know that Dumbledore
> was deathly ill. It's hardly more far-fetched than a character who
> has been a rat for two books turning out to be a human.

Alla:

Pippin, we have to agree to disagree here. JKR IS Christie admirer, 
but she is NOT Christie, no?

So, I would not expect her works to be so similar to Christie, but 
that is IMO of course.

And yes, Scabbers is ONE example that brought up as such a twist.

IMO even Fake!Moody does not count as very twisty, surprising, yes. 
I guess, but incredibly twisty, not sure.

 
> Nikkalmati:
> I don't think JKR would ever give young readers the impression 
that it is  ok 
> to kill someone in certain circumstances, just as I don't think 
she would  
> allow a character to commit suicide for a good cause.  To my mind, 
that  means 
> Snape committed deliberate murder and is evil or DD is not 
actually  dead.


Alla:

LOL. We agree here. But see since I am not buying Alive!Dumbledore 
that too me leaves 
only one thing. :)
I am not a big fan of arguing about which 
message JKR will send or not, BUT if we were to argue about 
messages, I am always amused that it is argued that JKR will not 
send the message that DD can be wrong BUT JKR will send the message 
that under appropriate circumstances killing is fine and dandy.

Of course I think that self - defense is fine and dandy and if Harry 
kills Voldemort it will be IMO self defense even if Harry kills him 
in his sleep.

But me thinks Voldie will be finished by other means, not killing


Hehe.

JMO,

Alla