Evil Snape/ JKR and Christy

[dumbledore11214]

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> > Alla:
> > 
> > Pippin, we have to agree to disagree here. JKR IS Christie 
admirer, 
> > but she is NOT Christie, no?
> > 
> > So, I would not expect her works to be so similar to Christie, 
but 
> > that is IMO of course.
> > 
> > And yes, Scabbers is ONE example that brought up as such a twist.
> > 
> > IMO even Fake!Moody does not count as very twisty, surprising, 
yes. 
> > I guess, but incredibly twisty, not sure.
> 
> Pippin:
> And Quirrell turning out  to be the villain wasn't twisty, and
> Riddle turning out to be Voldemort wasn't twisty, and the prophecy 
> turning out not to control events wasn't twisty? You see 
straightforward 
> clues to all that?
> <SNIP>

Alla:

Look, I think this is the case of using different definitions again. 
To me "twist" means SO unexpected plot turn that there is absolutely 
NO WAY that I could predict it.

And that is what I see in Christie works, yes.

The plot turns you listed, well, no to me they don't quite count as 
twists.

Surprise? Maybe, but even those are not quite there.

I don't quite remember how shocked I was when Quirrell turned out to 
be a villain, since I read the books closely together in 2000, but I 
think I remember that I was not SHOCKED.

And as to CoS, I am not sure that I was even surprised, I mean not 
that I figured it out well in advance of course, but from the moment 
Harry was in Chamber, I figured he would encounter major evil there.

And major evil is bound to be connected to Lord Voldemort, no?

And Prophecy? Twisty? Surely not for me, as I said in one of my posts 
upthread, that was a "that's it?" moment for me.

Prophecy not controling events? Um,I do not count as twist either, 
more like JKR doing some damage control over readers saying " that's 
it?" in OOP. Besides, despite Dumbledore pronouncing it, he IMO 
clearly acted as he believes in prophecy, so I personally don't see 
the twist here one way or another. Again IMO.

Could you please giving me the definition of twist you are using, 
maybe we are arguing over semantics again.

That's JMO. I agree that JKR loves surprises, but as I said I see 
PLENTY of straightforward stuff in her series, that goes to the core 
of it -  the major one of course is that Harry's power is Love, NOT 
some complicated charm that Dumbledore and Lily cooked up well in 
advance, knowing what lies ahead, but just Love.

So, IMO no I cannot say that JKR puts the same shocking twists in her 
works as Christie does, but you know, I am GLAD that she does not ( 
the way I see it, I understand you disagree), because I love or hate 
JKR characters MUCH more passionately than I care for Christie's.

I would reread JKR work over and over again and Christie works? Never 
after  I finished them. Because there is nothing in her books to 
interest me after I know "who done it"

I hope that JKR does not do the same thing.


Distayi:
> Since we're citing JKR, she's repeatedly said her books are not
> necessarily children's books. Thus I don't think you can assume 
those
> 4 characters survive.

Alla:

Yes, she did. She also said that she  likes being seen as a children 
writer ( paraphrase), she also targets your books at younger 
audience, no?

So, I think they are primarily oriented to the younger audience, but 
of course there is plenty in there for us adults too. IMO of course.

Distayi: 
> I think she has always had every intention of killing Harry. I don't
> see how he can survive. I see him much like Bilbo in LotR... he 
won't
> be able to live on in this world, and rather than have him just
> "vanish" I see JKR as finishing him off. He may kill LV first, but 
he
> must die, his experiences have made him unfit for "normal wizard" 
company.

Alla:

Except Harry is not Bilbo, and his experiences could be different, no?

I mean I don't see that JKR will necessarily decide to follow LOTR 
route, love it as I am.

I do hope that she will let Harry live. Why person should be 
necessarily broken by hard experiences as much as he could not move 
on and live his life?

 Again IMO

Alla.