Trusting Snape

[PJ]

No: HPFGUIDX 149061

Carol:
> Interesting response as you snipped my entire post, which does not
> mention the possibility of a fake AK or Snape's reasons for taking 
>the UV, only the events on the tower and why DD might have wished to
> sacrifice himself. 

PJ:
I read every word of your post - twice - and, while I appreciate you 
going to the trouble to type it all out, I saw nothing new that 
hasn't been discussed to death for the past year or so.  It all 
still hinges on DD knowing the 3rd provision of the UV and Snape 
being told that his job is to kill Dumbledore BY DUMBLEDORE! Two 
things I disagree with strongly.  And while you personally don't 
mention a fake AK, the curse or ACIDPOPS  it has been discussed 
several times on this list by "you GROUP" which is what I said.

>I would appreciate your looking at it again and answering the 
>specific points I made without snipping them or inserting points 
>that were not made in this particular post. What embroidery have I 
>presented? 

OK, the embroidery is in reading so much between the lines that you 
lose the actual lines themselves. No where does the author say more 
than Dumbledore trusts Snape-not even why.  She never says that 
Dumbledore knew the 3rd provision of the UV even while she hints 
that he knows about the vow itself.  No where does the author tell 
us that "Severus, please" can't just as easily be the stunned 
surprise of a man who's alarmed and saddened to see someone he 
trusts joining up with the very people he was so sure he'd abandoned 
ages ago. And no where does she say that it's Snape's job per DD's 
orders to save himself.  Those thoughts are all *I think* and *I 
surmise* based, I feel, on a need to make Snape better and 1,000 
times more noble than what the author has ever (in 6 books!)given us 
on the printed page. 

OFH!Snape doesn't need any reading between the lines at all.  No 
guesses, no surmises... A straight read from cover to cover exactly 
what the author has put down on paper. 

> Not that it really matters, as you seem to have made up your mind
> already, but I would like some evidence that you have actually read
> the post and some canon-based arguments against it. ("I don't 
>agree does not constitute a valid argument on this list--or 
anywhere, really. 

Thankyou for the posting pointers.  I will try to keep them in mind 
for any future posts, but the problem was, as I mentioned above, 
that while it was nice to see it all in one place and in one post, 
it's the same basic arguement that's been wandering around this list 
since shortly after HBP was released and I thought to save myself 
some typing at 3am.

> Think about what would or might have happened on the tower had 
>Snape not sent DD over the battlements with what we'll assume, for 
>the sake of argument, was a real AK.

What *might* have happened? Here it is...

If Snape were truly DDM! then he'd have taken Flitwick and a few 
Aurors/DA up to the tower (since he could get through the barrier)
and finally come out in the open as DDM!Snape before he died.  The 
vow would've allowed him to get that far since he was also on his 
way to rescue Draco as well as to see if he'd done the deed.  

The tower DE's would've died (including that nasty werewolf) Harry 
and Draco would've survived and could've worked it out between 
themselves (Harry was a witness to DD's promise of hiding Draco's 
family and could've convinced the order to honor that promise)since 
now Draco knew he wasn't cut out to be a DE and Harry knew Draco 
refused to kill DD even though it would mean his family would be 
killed.  A mutual respect may have had a chance to blossom.

Draco's soul as well as his future would've been saved, the Hogwarts 
houses would've been well on their way towards unity, and both kids 
could've worked together to end LV's reign since Draco most likely 
knows a few things about what Harry desperately needs information on 
considering who is family is.  

Dumbledore may have died anyway, but Snape didn't have to kill him.

PJ