Trusting Snape - Susan and Tammy

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No: HPFGUIDX 149086

SSSusan wrote:

> > (And for those who really strongly desire to see Snape punished, 
> > I've always pointed out that, if he *is* DDM and truly cared 
about 
> > the man, and truly wanted to leave behind his DE days, DD's 
> > presenting him with this awful choice might be just the 
> > painful "comeuppance" or punishment that Snape "deserved!")

Lupinlore: 
> Oh, no, no, and not only no but H*ll no! IMO, Snape's situation 
from 
> killing Dumbledore no more amounts to an appropriate punishment 
for 
> his abuse of Harry and Neville than Voldy's unpopularity is an 
> appropriate punishment for his abuse of the two boys.  If JKR is 
not 
> to avoid speaking tacitly in favor of the abuse of children, 
Snape's 
> punishment for his treatment of Harry and Neville must be clear, 
> unequivocal, and directly linked to his reprehensible actions.

Alla:

You know me, Lupinlore. I am a BIG fan of carmic punishment too :-). 
But I think there is one scenario under which Snape is DD!M and 
Dumbledore's death can work as  carmic punishment.

Now, I am putting aside for a second my general disagreement with DD 
asking Snape to kill him. 

I am sure it was advanced before ( after all it seems like all 
possibilities had been raised and hopefully JKR will surprise us 
with totally new one at the end :-)), but I don't remember the 
author and in any event, I sort of thought about it too.

Now, Dumbledore is dead in this scenario, really and truly dead and 
Snape killed him. Actually Snape can kill him either on DD's orders 
or not ( Severely Siguine story), just because he thought that he is 
more valuable for the cause alive.

So, what does this Snape want most of all? Completely DD!M Snape of 
course? To get rid of Voldemort and who can give him the possibility?

Harry obviously can, but erm... how very likely Harry is to do that, 
after watching Snape murder his beloved mentor? How very likely 
Harry is to trust Snape AT ALL? How very likely Harry is to LISTEN 
to the man, who seems to be mixed into worst, most traumatic events 
of his life?

Let's count - Snape helped to set Voldemort after Potters, Snape MAY 
be mixed into Sirius' death and Snape AKed (IMO of course) 
Dumbledore. Oh, and from the moment Harry showed up in Hogwarts, 
Snape did not treat him erm...well. 
Yep, just the person Harry will be inclined to trust easily, NOT.

Lupinlore, don't you think that Snape trying to CONVINCE Harry to 
trust him, to trust him that he is really loyal to the Light would 
be very nice carmic punishment which is quite nicely tied into years 
of abuse (IMO) Snape dished at him, since because of those years 
Harry will not be inclined to cut Snape a slack, loyal to DD or not? 
How is DD death plays into it? Well, obviously there is no 
Dumbledore to vouch for Snape to Harry anymore and Snape has to do 
the convincing all on his own.

Yep, I think I will even take this conversation as carmic punishment 
for Snape. Not that this would be my favorite one, but I think it 
can play out nicely too.

JMO,

Alla