Outraged Harry - Love Conquers All or Not

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 149166

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboyminn@> wrote:
> >
> > As to the next book, once again, I too see DirtyHarry!Harry. 
> > ...
> > 
> > Further, I don't want to hear any crap about 'love conquers 
> > all'. While it may be true that doesn't help Harry. He can't
> > sit around doing nothing to perpare on the assumption that in
> > the final battle he can just give Voldemort a hug and a kiss,
> > and everything will be fine.
> 
> Tonks:
> Well maybe a hug and kiss with kill him off from a heart attack.
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> Again the series is about the triumph of Love over Death.  This,
> I believe is the reason that JKR wrote the series.  Her mother's 
> death  was a catalyst to the series.  So Love, in its highest and 
> most ancient form will save Harry.  Just "how" this will be 
> carried out is anybodies guess, but that is where JKR is going 
> with this.  I am sure of it.
> 
> Tonks_op
>

bboyminn:

It seems reasonable clear AS A READER that Love does and will conquer
all. I have no doubt in the final moment something will occur to Harry
or some unexpected event will transpire that will prove that. It could
be Harry sacrificing himself for the good of others. It could be
others sacrificing themselves for the good of Harry. 

I have speculated in the recent past, that perhaps in that final show
down, one or more of Harry's friends will be willing to or actually
will sacrifice themselves for Harry. They will throw themselves in
front of him and shield him from Voldemort. 

In that moment Harry will realize how deeply he must be loved for so
many people to willingly and eagerly sacrifice themselves for him. In
that moment of realization, he will understand that he is invincible
to Voldemort's attack because he is shielded by the willing
sacrificial love of his friends. And it goes on from there....

However, **FROM HARRY'S PERSPECTIVE** things are quite different. He
has absolutely no way of knowing nor any way of believing that somehow
the power of love will save him in the end. He is facing impossible
tasks, and somehow he has to be ready for them. To not at least try to
get ready for them is unrealistic writing. So, I have to believe that
Harry will, in the next book, concentrate on improving his skill for
every task he faces; magical detection, curse breaking, Horcrux
destroying, Dueling, etc.... 

And that is the part that bothers me. Even if Harry tries to improve
his skills, the tasks are too great, the load is too heavy, but JKR
says she has a plan. She claims she knows how she will get Harry past
all these obsticals. 

Still as a READER, JKR's task seems almost as impossible as Harry's.
So much has to be learned, so much has to be done, so many subplots
and characters have to be resolved. It seems impossible to accomplish
it in one book, even if that book is the size of a library dictionary.
Still she has a plan. Even though she has painted Harry into the
darkest bleakest most desperate and hopeless of corners, she seems to
have a way out. I just wish I knew what it was.

That's why I say that even a moderately satisfying solution to the
story is still a monumental accomplishment. And if by some chance, JKR
can pull off a truly inspired solution to everything, well that is
nearly a miracle.

In a sense, regarding 'love conquers all', it matters whether you use
an internal or external perspective. External to the story, as a
reader, yes, I can see that happening even if I don't know how. But
internal to the story, from the perspective of Harry and the other
characters, the concept of 'love conquers all' is worthless because
there is no clear way to train for it and know way of knowing how to
apply it. It seems unrealistic for Harry to move forward in the story
depending on 'love' for the solution. The only logical internal
solution is long hard training and detailed specific study. 

I'm not sure where this is going, but none the less, there it is.

Steve/bboyminn