Snape Survey, Snapeity, Dumbledore's sacrifice

[Tonks]

No: HPFGUIDX 149193

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "richter_kuymal" <richter at ...> 
wrote:
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Snips most of post, people can go upthread> 
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> > 9. There is no way that Snape can help DD with DE watching.
> == sure there was. 
> 1. he could use a "levicorpus" variant combined with some other 
> verbal action and LOWER DD over the tower.  This is the man that 
> presumably created hexes as a kid.  (turns to the other DE's:"I've 
> been saving that one JUST for DD!). 

<snips ways that Snape can help DD> > 

 Even the idea of Fawkes being on Snape's shoulder (which I find 
silly) wouldn't do it. Fawkes is, when all is said and done, an 
animal and would no more be able to verify truth than a dog.  
> 
Tonks:
Fawkes can come to Harry's aid as he has done before. I don't 
understand your point here. And Snape can help Harry without Harry 
and him working as a team.

Basically I want to respond to your post to say that you have 
misunderstood what I was doing there.  I laid out all of the facts 
and then attempted to put them together in a plausible way that 
would fit the lot.  Not each one, one by one.  I was probably not 
clear.

The whole problem with Snape saving DD is that JKR did not write it 
that way for a reason.  We have to have DD die, now, under the sign 
of the skull.  More specifically "at the place of the skull".  If 
you understand what JKR is doing you will understand why.  Remember 
she said in an interview "these are not secular books".

So the real question is:  Was Judas still a disciple of Christ or 
was he a traitor?  Some say that he never meant for the events to 
happen the way that they did.  He was a member of the Zealots and he 
expected the Kingdom of God to be an earthly one.  He expected a 
revolution.  He misunderstood. Others say that he was JC's man to 
the end; that the two of them discussed the upcoming events and JC 
told Judas to "what you are going to do, do quickly". Others say 
that JC sent Judas to do something else with those words.  Now don't 
these arguments sound familiar to you?  They are the same sort of 
things we are debating here, only about Snape. If you understand 
that Snape is in this scene in the role of Judas then you will 
understand the rest. Was he still a disciple of DD, or was he a 
traitor?  I say he is DDM to the very end of the series. Hopefully 
he doesn't go hang himself like Judas did.

Tonks_op