Lupin and The Marauders (was:Re: Remus Lupin: Good man doing nothing)

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No: HPFGUIDX 149351

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at ...> wrote:
>
> Quick silver:
> > The problem I have with that is that by and large we've always 
heard 
> > the story from Snape's point of view. The story of the Prank, 
> > Snape's Worst memory scene, Snape's rants in PoA, etc. isn't 
really 
> > countered by other views of the Marauders. It'd be like asking 
Harry 
> > to tell us about Malfoy. I'm also suspicious of the "Prank" in 
> > general...Sirius acting alone, Snape staying quiet, the fact 
that 
> > Lupin let Sirius off about it. I think there most be more too it 
> > then that.

Marianne:
Oh, I'm willing to bet much money that there will be a gigantic 
spanner in the Prank works that will make the whole escapade much 
more ambiguous than Snape is ever willing to admit. But, we shall 
have to wait and see.

> Alla:
 
> Bu I happen to LOVE those possible hints (and yes, I call them 
> POSSIBLE hints simply because I cannot be sure whether they ARE 
hints 
> yet, not because I think that they are weak, IF they are hints.) 
that 
> Snape is not completely innocent party in those events. Don't you 
love 
> the fact that Snape was reading the question about how to 
recognise 
> werewolf in the Pensieve scene and this is the SAME question which 
he 
> gave to Harry class with purpose as we KNOW to make sure kids 
learned 
> who remus is? Hmmm, makes me wonder A LOT whether Snape knew who 
Remus 
> was before he went into Shack.

Marianne:
I like the idea.  I can just see the Snape/Sirius dynamic.  Sirius, 
thinking he'll let Snape in on how to get past the Willow, tells 
Snape what to do, while being sure that Snape will have the pants 
scared off him once he sees/hears Werewolf!Remus.  At the same time, 
Snape, smugly thinking that he knows Remus is a werewolf and all he 
needs to prove it and bring Remus down is photographic proof, takes 
Sirius's Willow instructions at face value and enters the tunnel 
with a camera in his hands. Or not.

The questions remaining for me remain: What spurred Sirius to reveal 
how to get past the Willow to Snape.  And, if Snape really suspected 
Remus to be a werewolf, why he was not better prepared to deal with 
the potential lethal consequences.  OTOH, if Snape had no idea Remus 
was a werewolf, why go past the Willow at all?  

Of course, my pet theory is that the accusation/fear of cowardice 
will come into play big time in this event.


Alla: 
> I used to hope that Prank will be explained in light of 
> violent "ideological" hatred between Snape and Marauders, probably 
in 
> terms of Marauders taking revenge on Snape for the deeds of 
Slytherin 
> gan, who probably left school by the time of Pensieve scene. I 
still 
> hope that some of this stuff will be there, BUT unfortunately I 
also 
> think that A LOT of reasons for hatred between Snape and Marauders 
> will be Saint Lily. :)
> It is of course extremely speculative, but JKR pretty much 
confirmed 
> that Lily was a popular girl and that Remus pretty much loved her 
too. 
> If one agrees that Snape loved Lily or as I prefer to say was 
obsessed 
> with her, is it such a stretch that Sirius was a) either in love 
with 
> Lily too ( Gah and gah, I hope not - would be overkill IMO) or 
somehow 
> knew that James was in love with Lily and thought that Snape was 
not 
> worthy of Lily or something.
 Gah, I cringe when I type it. At least JKR phrasing that Snape and 
> Sirius hatred was mutual gives me hope that it would be something 
more 
> interesting than that.
> 

Marianne:
Sweet saints above, I hope not!  Everyone can't be secretly or not 
so secretly smitten with Lily!  I disagree with JKR saying that 
Remus loved her, in the sense that I don't think she meant the same 
type of boy/girl love that grew to exist between Lily and James.  I 
think it's safe to say that Lily and Remus were vwey fond of each 
other as friends. Although, in light of the recent Remus discussion, 
I wonder what Lily's feelings were about Prefect!Remus.

I'm really against the idea that Sirius was in love with Lily, 
especially as he knew full well that his best bud James was smitten 
with her. Witness Snape's Worst Memory - it seems obvious to me from 
the dialog between James and Sirius that James is still in the dark 
as to why Lily doesn't like him, even though Sirius helpfully points 
out that he thinks that Lily thinks James is a bit conceited. There 
never seems to be any indication that Sirius is at all interested in 
Lily in a romantic sense.  And, somehow, I can't buy that Sirius 
would think he had to do away with Snape in order to clear the field 
for James.  Lily doesn't seem remotely interested in Snape, either.

Marianne, popping up for a bit of non-Snape discussion