Hermione/Peter

[Karen]

No: HPFGUIDX 149384

Ceridwen:

>From Pippin's post: "Marietta blabs when Harry starts teaching the
class how to fight dementors. I can understand why Marietta suddenly
had trouble with her conscience."

At the time, the Dementors were guarding Azkaban.  Therefore,
Ministry employees.  Corruptable, and OFT (Themselves, they're a
group), but still at least nominally under the Ministry.

kchuplis:

Hmmm. Yeah, maybe marginally but I don't think that is really what pippin
was talking about. If so, I just can't see that as legitimately acting
against the MoM. The Dementors were shown time and again not to follow any
code in regards to whom they attacked. I, at least, couldn't accept that as
pushing Marietta over the edge.

cubfanbudwoman:

Not sure if anyone other than me will find this interesting, but one
of the scrapbook items you get when you solve a clue (or follow
someone else's instructions, as I did ;-)) is the original synopsis
of PS/SS.  I noticed a little tidbit near the end:

"...and Hermione Granger (cleverest girl in the year and the only
person in the class to know all the uses of dragon's blood)."

Huh.  Does this surprise anyone else that Hermie KNOWS the 12 uses?
I thought only DD knew them all -- or at least that none of our main
kid characters did.  So far we readers only know a couple of them,
right?  Oven cleaner, for instance.  I wonder why Hermione hasn't
mentioned more of those uses along the way?

kchuplis:

I looked it up and the mention became something like "found it hard to relax
when Hermione is next to you reciting the 12 uses of dragon's blood" so
apparently it morphed into being something all first years learn in potions.

Also, I read today the bit on "Characters" about Malfada who was supposed to
be a 12 y.o. that came to live with the Weasley's and was as bright as
Hermione but a bit of a bad egg. I think we can now see where Hermione's
intense difficulty with Harry using the HBP's book to be better at potions
than her really morphed from. I always felt, and to me this supports it,
that rather than disapproving of using "someone elses's work", it really was
that Hermione did not like being shown up in that class.

SSSusan:
Ah, we've had this discussion before, Carol. :-)  I maintain that
Harry is correct in that thought.  It's the Charles Manson-type
parallel:  You ORDER the murder, you ARE the murderer in the legal
sense of things.  Harry *knows* Wormtail cast the spell, but he heard
Voldy order the killing and so knows that it was Voldy's INTENTION
and COMMAND which made the murder happen.  Hence, he's the murderer
(the cause of the murder) even if he's not the murderer (the one
taking the action).


Kchuplis:

This is how I see it too. I find it similar to Sirius saying Voldamort
killed Regulas "or more likely had him killed". Pretty sure it would be
generally accepted that to follow a direct order like "Kill the spare" is
pretty much the same as LV doing it. But either is (as in this case) not
being able to do it immediately or how much status or importance the person
has to LV. Cedric was simply in the way.

I also agree that LV definitely directed Wormtail in how to make the potion.
He certainly had enough strength to plan a long drawn out way to get at
Harry and I can't see it being that taxing to direct Wormtail to make this
potion.