DD/Snape/Ships/Narcissa/Snape/Lifespan/'MrsZabini'/Manipulative/Entail

[Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)]

No: HPFGUIDX 149463

KJ writes in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/149151 :

<< We also know that Dumbledore has told Harry that he knows more of
what is going on with Snape's UV than Harry. >>

But we don't know if DD was right about that. Even DDM!Snape could
have told him the first two clauses and omitted tellling him the 
third clause out of embarrassment/shame (as non-ESE Lupin in PoA
omitted telling DD about escaped mass murderer Sirius Black being an
Animagus).

Sometimes DD doesn't know as much as he thinks he does; because he
thought he knew all about Draco's plan, he refused to listen to Harry.
If he had listened to Harry, Harry might have mentioned that Draco was
repeatedly vanishing into the Room of Requirement, and that might have
been enough for DD to discover the Vanishing Cabinet's role in the
plan. Then he could have figured out some way to prevent the Death
Eaters from getting inside Hogwarts without revealing that he knew
about Draco's plan.

Lupinlore wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/149173 :

<< Oh, your point is perfectly understandable, I think.  It just isn't
all that convincing with regard to what was or was not going on atop
the tower, or what was or was not going on with Snape during HBP.  I
mean, DDM! Snape, IMO, would be cheesy, more than faintly ludicrous,
and extremely poor and unbelievable writing. >>

If Snape was ESE or OFH and murdered DD for selfish reasons, at what
point did DD realise that his trust in Snape had been misplaced? Was
it before or after DD's first plea? I think it could be that when
Snape entered the room, DD thought he was the cavalry coming to the
rescue, and DD immediately begged him 'save my life' (which seems out
of character for someone who was so blase about Flamel's death) or
'save Harry' or 'save Hogwarts' or something else that DD and Snape
knew about but I don't, but ESE or OFH Snape instead acted for his own
benefit. For Snape to be ESE or OFH doesn't require DD to recognize
the betrayal before the first plea.

Sarah wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/149197 :

<< I'm Sarah, I'm 16 (yes I know this is for grown-ups, but I think I
can handle it. *wink* >>

Hi, Sarah. Altho' I am 48, we have had grown-ups here as young as 13.
They tend to get older over time. 

<< I'm totally a R/Hr and H/G shipper, and other also include
Remus/Tonks, Neville/Luna, Fred/Angelina, Snape/Sinistra, and the
cuteness of Dobby/Winky. >>

Some of those seem to be canon now, but JKR has squashed Nevile/Luna.
On http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/rumours_view.cfm?id=24 she
wrote: "The Luna/Neville shippers are much less vehement and scary
than the Harry/Hermione, Ron/Hermione tribes, so I hope I won't
receive too much hate mail for quashing this rumour. I see Neville and
Luna as very different kinds of people and while they share a certain
isolation within Hogwarts, I don't think that's enough to foster true
love - friendship, perhaps, although I think that Neville would always
find Luna's wilder flights of fancy alarming."

Brady wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/149202 :

<< Was reading HBP again, and the Spinner's End Chapter struck me that
Snape's love interest could be Narcissa! >>

That theory is named ACID POPS (acronym for Alas, Cissy Is Despondent,
Perhaps Obsessively Passionate Severus, invented in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/138742 by Neri).
Hey, Elves, ACID POPS isn't in Inish Alley, but LOLLIPOPS is
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/database?method=reportRows&tbl=28&sortBy=1&sortDir=down&start_at=139

Edis wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/149206 :

<< It seems to be Canon that wizards have longer lifespans than
Muggles. But on her Website Jo celebrates the Wizard of the Month 
... and the WsOTM as listed dont have really longer lifespans than
expected of Muggles... >>

I already replied back in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/148862 :

<< hpotter284 asked in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/148648 :

<< If we take Dumbledore and Marchbanks as a guideline for wizard
lifespans, then the average wizard life should last about 200 years.
Yet none of the Blacks in the family tree lived anywhere close to that
long (the oldest seem to have lived for about 80 years or so, which is
barely above half of Dumbledore's age).  >>

Same for all the Famous Witches and Wizards on the Famous Wizards
cards (Wizard of the month on JKR's website). I think some listies
have theorized that JKR's interview statement that wizards live longer
than Muggles is generally false, except that a few wizards including
Dumbledore live very long by magical means -- in Dumbledore's case, >>

Jazmyn wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/149263 :

<< I think we only assume they live longer because of Nicholas Flammel
and due to Dumbledore's age.  But remember, up till the destruction of
the stone, Dumbledore was friends with Flammel and might have been
sharing that longevity potion, which might explain why after only 4-5
years, Dumbledore slipped so much as to become too old to handle the
fight anymore  >>

But Rowling SAID that wizards live longer than Muggles:
http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2000/1000-scholastic-chat.htm
<<Question: How old is old in the wizarding world, and how old are
Professors Dumbledore and McGonagall?
J.K. Rowling responds: Dumbledore is a hundred and fifty, and
Professor McGonagall is a sprightly seventy. Wizards have a much
longer life expectancy than Muggles. (Harry hasn't found out about
that yet.) >>
http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2001/0301-bbc-rednose.htm
<<Q: How old is Prof. Dumbledore and Prof. Snape?
JKR: Dumbledore's about 150 years old... Wizards have a longer life
expectancy than us Muggles. Snape's 35 or 36 >>

a_svirn wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/149259 :

<< This is the one possibility, I believe, we neglected to discuss
while talking about Mrs. Zabini. Crime passionale, anyone? >>

Well, it *could* be that she marries for love but has an amazingly bad
temper, but it's quite likely she's Mrs. Husband-number-seven and that
Blaise resulted from one of the earlier marriages.

Nora wrote in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/149411 :

<< YMMV, but I don't perceive 'manipulative' as a neutral word at all.
It's generally used to imply that one is doing something specifically
for one's own personal gain above anything else, and that one is
doing something with shady intent that you hope the objects of your
manipulation won't pick up on.  If one states that parents are
manipulating their children, for instance, it's almost always a
statement of disapproval. >>

My late mother used to say that when one doesn't like a person, one
calls them 'manipulative', but if one likes the person, one praises
the exact same behavior as 'being good at handling people', and she
always finished by saying it's the exact same word, just whether it's
in Latin or English.

Nikkalmati wrote in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/149457 :

<< If the  house were entailed (a la Jane Austin) the inheritance
would go UP the family  tree as far as necessary to find a living male
descendent.  Draco would be  cut off as he can't inherit through his
mother. Harry would be eligible assuming Charlus is his ancestor. >>

I can't see why Charlus Potter's son or grandson would be more
eligible than Lucius Malfoy's son. The Malfoy boy could inherit only
through his mother, Lucius's wife, the former Narcissa Black, and the
Potter boy could inherit only through his (grand)mother, Charlus's
wife, the former Dorea Black.