When did Draco Imperius Rosmerta? (was: Re: CHAPDISC: hbp12, Silver and Opals)

[horridporrid03]

No: HPFGUIDX 149759

> >>Betsy Hp:
> > <snip>
> > Especially when you consider the limited study time and the fact 
> > that Bellatrix was probably concentrating on his killing skills.

> >>PJ:
> I thought she'd been concentrating on his occlumency skills.
> <snip>

Betsy Hp:
Oh yeah, that's right. I'm sure she must have taught him how to kill 
too.  I mean, that just makes sense.  So it doesn't leave much time 
for Draco to become a world-class Imperiuser.

> >>PJ:
> All very true but how could Bellatrix be in the RoR to help Draco 
> fix the cabinet?  
> <snip>
> As you said, Draco was unable to leave the grounds before Hogsmead 
> weekend and was in detention during it. I'm not sure that coin     
> alone could do it all... not for an underage wizard. And that, at 
> least to my understanding, is why he'd need someone who could move 
> around Hogwarts without being seen as out of place. The outside    
> communication,imperiusing Rosmerta, etc. could also be done by    
> this individual.

Betsy Hp:
I agree with Magpie that Draco did the cabinet all by himself.  So 
it's still possible that his help came from outside of Hogwarts. Of 
course there are communication issues:  How did Voldemort dial up 
the pressure, how did Draco request the Imperius of Rosmerta, how 
did he communicate with Borgin regarding the cabinet and the 
necklace for that matter, etc.  The coins do seem a bit small for 
the level of conversation that seems required.

But would Dumbledore have monitered Draco's owls?  On the one hand 
it would seem rather stupid not to.  On the other hand, Dumbledore 
was trying to appear unaware of his danger and unsuspecting of 
Draco, so your guess is as good as mine. <g>

> >>Betsy Hp:
> > I doubt it's Kreacher.  I can't see house elves being able to
> > Imperius wizards or witches.  Plus, there's Draco's prejudice.  I
> > don't think he'd refer to Kreacher so positively.

> >>PJ:
> We have Winky and Barty Crouch Jr.  Again, I may be all wet but    
> didn't you see it as part of her duties to make sure he stayed    
> under the imperius?
> <snip>

Betsy Hp:
I didn't, no.  I thought it was more she'd keep an eye on him and 
let his father know if the Imperius was slipping.  We don't see her 
attempt to recast an Imperius when Barty got free at the QWC, 
instead she tied him to her physically (well, magically, but in a 
physical form in that it wasn't mind control) and dragged him away 
from the action.  Barty only slips loose after Winky is knocked out 
by the Ministry wizards.  But while he couldn't break free of 
Winky's bonds, he *was* able to cast the Dark Mark in the sky.  IOW, 
his mind was free.

I think Mr. Crouch was upset because she'd talked him into letting 
his son attend the event in the first place, and also that she was 
unable to keep his son physically bound.

> >>PJ:
> As for Draco, he's used to servants at his disposal.  If Kreacher 
> was useful to his task  I think he'd jump at the chance to have    
> him assist. 
> <snip> 
> Draco may not consider Kreacher good enough to take to a ballgame 
> but I'm sure he'd gladly take any help he could give him.  :-)

Betsy Hp:
Oh, I agree that Draco would've leapt at the chance to have a house 
elf help him (talk about an excellent lookout!).  However, he'd look 
at the house elf as a *servant*, not someone to brag about to Snape 
in a "my helper is more bad-assed than you!" sort of way.  Because 
that's just not how he'd look at house elves, IMO.

> >>PJ:
> <snip>
> We've seen Filch with a detecting device but would it pick up     
> Animagus?  I doubt it. PP knows he could live very comfortably as 
> a rat in Hogwarts because he's already done it.

Betsy Hp:
If there were a way to detect Animagus, I'm sure it was in use.  Of 
course, we've got nothing saying there is, so... <g>   Another 
argument I have against Peter, that I doubt you'll buy <g>, is that 
Snape is aware of his movements.  At least as per Spinner's End.  
But if he was recruited to help Draco, I think Snape would have 
sussed that out.  Whereas with Bellatrix, well, we *know* those two 
aren't talking.

> >>Betsy Hp:
> > The inside mole goes back to a "To Be Revealed" ESE!character...
> > <snip>
 
> >>PJ:
> <snip>
> I suppose this is where all the ESE!McG, Tonks and Slughorn       
> theories get to pop up again, huh?  :-)

Betsy Hp:
Don't forget ESE!Lupin!  Actually, if there is an ESE!Character to 
be revealed, the "who Imperiused Rosmerta" question could be a way 
for JKR to shows us that.  Which would explain why this mystery is 
being left for book 7.

If there's *not* an ESE!Character, than I'm not sure the question 
will be all that important.  Unless it helps muddy the "can I trust 
Draco?" waters for Harry.  Or it sets up a villain for Draco to 
break away from.  Though, hmmm, if it's Bellatrix would that cause 
Draco to step on Neville's toes?

Just following PJ's lead and throwing out ideas. <g>

Betsy Hp