Prophecies Re: Who calls Voldemort "Lord"

[darqali]

No: HPFGUIDX 149829

> > Nikkalmati:
> > I just wanted to note, the prophecy stated to Harry in POA did 
> > not come true exactly at given.  Trelwaney (sp?) recited that 
> > "innocent blood will be spilled" (from memory without canon at 
> > hand), but thanks to H and H and the timeturner no innocent 
> > blood was spilled.  Both Buckbeak and Sirius were rescued. 
> > So a prophecy can be thwarted. 
>   
> zgirnius:
> You are misremembering:
>
> 'IT WILL HAPPEN TONIGHT.'
> <snip>
> 'THE DARK LORD LIES ALONE AND FRIENDLESS, ABANDONED BY HIS 
> FOLLOWERS.  HIS SERVANT HAS BEEN CHAINED THESE TWELVE YEARS. 
> TONIGHT, BEFORE MIDNIGHT ... THE SERVANT WILL BREAK FREE AND 
> SET OUT TO REJOIN HIS MASTER. THE DARK LORD WILL RISE AGAIN 
> WITH HIS SERVANT'S AID, GREATER AND MORE TERRIBLE THAT EVER 
> HE WAS. TONIGHT ... BEFORE MIDNIGHT ... THE SERVANT WILL SET 
> OUT TO REJOIN HIS MASTER ...'

Thank you.

That is how my text reads, too, save there are more "...." in the 
last line:

"Tonight .... BEFORE MIDNIGHT ... THE SERVANT ...WILL SET OUT ... TO 
REJOIN ... HIS MASTER ..."

is how the last line reads in my text, which is a Paperback printed 
in the U.S.

This Prophecy has more than one component:

It states a time {Tonight, before midnight} for one aspect of the two 
predictions made.

It states an action to be taken by "The Servant" of "The Dark Lord".  
I take "The Servant" to be Peter Pettigrew, aka "Wormtail"; it is 
stated "His Servant has been chained these twelve years" and that 
"the Servant will break free".  Pettigrew was hidden in rat form as 
"Scabbers", in the Weasley household [and at Hogwarts' when the boys 
were at school] for 12 years.

I take "the Dark Lord" to be Tom Riddle, aka "Lord Voldemort", called 
by his followers "The Dark Lord" and by most others of the WW, "You 
Know Who" or "He Who Must Not Be Named".

The action of "The Servant" {who is not otherwise named} is that he 
will {that night, before midnight} "break free" and "set out to 
rejoin his master".

And that is exactly what happened.

There is another prediction: "The Dark Lord WILL RISE AGAIN WITH HIS 
SERVANT'S AID, GREATER AND MORE TERRIBLE THAN EVER HE WAS."

That didn't happen that night, before midnight, of course.  It 
happened at the climax of GoF, when Peter Pettigrew {and 
Crouch/Moody} completed their scheme to bring LV back.  Note:  Many 
things could have gone wrong with this scheme, so that "it might not 
have happened that way", but nothing significant did go wrong {from 
LV's viewpoint and plan}; not, at least, until *after* LV had the 
chance to "rise again".  [One could argue that getting a two-fer 
{Harry plus Cedric} with the PortKey Cup was something that "went 
wrong" but it did not deter LV from using Harry as planned.]

Do we know if the "new LV" is actually "GREATER AND MORE TERRIBLE 
THAN EVER HE WAS?" as this second Prophecy states?  Guess that is 
so far a matter of conjecture; but nothing we have seen so far 
suggests that aspect of this Prophecy is *wrong*.

Otherwise, I see this second prophecy as having come true very much 
as pronounced.  Further, while it remains true that *it might not 
have fallen out that way, if this or that happened differently*, this 
prophecy was not *made true because someone who heard it believed it 
and acted upon it*, as DD told Harry was the case with Trelawney's 
*first* Prophecy concerning LV.  No one had heard this Prophecy save 
Harry, so "believing it and acting on it" had nothing to do with the 
actions taken which made it "become true".

Yes, Ministry plans re the execution of Buckbeak that evening were 
indeed thwarted; and Sirius was saved despite Snape's (and the 
Ministry's) plans and desires; but those events were not covered by 
Trelawney's Prophecy, which concerned only two people:  "The 
Servant" and "His Master".

BTW:  I saw at once, at my first reading of PoA, that Harry had made 
"a Prophecy" concerning Buckbeak during his exam, which did indeed 
come true!  Of course, he was making it up; but when he stated 
(gazing into the crystal ball) that he could see "A hippogriff", 
Trelawney prompted him:

"Indeed!"  whispered Professor Trelawney, scribbling keenly on the 
parchment perched upon her knees.  "My boy, you may well be seeing 
the outcome of poor Hagrid's trouble with the Ministry of Magic!  
Look closer .... Does the hippogriff appear to .... have its head?"

"Yes", said Harry firmly.

"Are you sure?"  Professor Trelawney urged him. "Are you quite sure, 
dear?  You don't see it writhing on the ground, perhaps, and a 
shadowy figure raising an axe behind it?"

"No!"  said Harry, starting to feel slightly sick.

"No blood?  No weeping Hagrid?"

"No!" said Harry again wanting more than ever to leave the room and 
the heat.  "It looks fine, it's  -  flying away ...."

Harry made this up, of course.   Trelawney was urging Harry to 
predict an unhappy outcome, which Harry stubbornly refused to do; but 
Harry was *right*.

Perhaps that is the source of the idea that Trelawney "predicted" 
Buckbeak's demise; but she didn't, actually ... she was urging Harry 
to do so.

... and Darqali wonders how Trelawney can seem so innocent and 
pitiful all the while being so fond of making horrible predictions 
about blood and death .....