DDM!Snape & the UV/Have Snape ever killed anybody?

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 149849

> > Alla:
> > 
> > Please refer me to the part of Karkarov's testimony where he says
> > that those DE whom he sells out as spies or torture specialists
> > never killed anybody? He mentions their tasks yes, where does he 
say
> > that they never killed at all?
> > 
> > You are telling me that Dolohov for example who tortured Muggles
> > never killed anybody? How likely it is? Not likely if you ask me.
> 
> Carol responds:
> Likely or not, Karkaroff is trying to get himself off the hook by
> providing information on other DEs. If he knew that Dolohov had 
killed
> someone, it would have been to his advantage to say so. He actually
> *saw* Dolohov torturing "countless Muggles and non-supporters of 
the
> Dark Lord" (GoF 589). If, as Moody believes, Karkaroff "helped him 
do
> it," Karkaroff would have witnessed any murders Dolohov committed 
as
> well. It would be odd for Karkaroff to conceal the fact that 
Dolohov
> had killed someone had he actually done so when he's trying to get 
out
> of Azkaban by revealing what he knows about Dolohov and others. And
> Karkaroff actually uses the word "specialized" in referring to
> Mulciber (589). 

Alla:

Okay, I  want to address this one point ( well one and a half 
actually), because we are not going to convince each other and I am 
too tired to do a nice counterargument on all of them right now.

I brought up Dolohov because it seemed to me like the most obvious 
example of how Karkaroff did not need to spell out that DE 
who "specialised in Imperio, spying, etc" also killed people.

People often DIE after gruesome torture, that is not an assumption, 
that is a fact. Are you arguing that none of Dolohov's 
victims "countless muggles" died, just because Karkaroff did not say 
so?

The people who do not die after torture often are as good as dead, 
IMO. We all know what happened to Longbottoms after all.

I don't think that he needed to say it, I think it is obvious. That 
is of course IMO.

Alla,

acknowledging the canon about Wormtail telling Voldemort about 
Sirius animagus form, but most certainly thinking that nothing in 
canon contradicts that Snape could have told Voldemort and/or 
Malfoys other information about Sirius.