[HPforGrownups] Re: DDM!Snape & the UV.

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No: HPFGUIDX 150043


OctobersChild48 at aol.com wrote:    Alcuin:

> Hi everyone,
> This is my first post ... in regard to the above exchange, I'm not 
> sure that hatred is the key factor in the Avada Kedavra curse.
> 

Sandy:

I agree with this and use as an example Peter performing the AK on Cedric. 
There was no reason for Peter to have any feelings at all for Cedric, much less 
hate.

  
   Alciun:

> ... Never used an Unforgivable Curse before, have you, boy? ... You 
> need to _mean_ them, Potter!  You need to really want to cause pain - 
> to enjoy it ...
> 
> So it seems that the two factors necessary for an Unforgivable Curse 
> to be successful are (1) to _really_ intend that the curse have its 
> effect and (2) to take some kind of pleasure in its having that 
> effect.  So for Avada Kedavra to work, the caster must really want to 
> kill the intended victim and take pleasure in the victim's death.  If 
> this is correct, then hatred or no hatred, Snape comes off looking 
> badly here.  He would somehow have had to enjoy or take pleasure in 
> Dumbledore's death.
> 

Sandy:

While I would agree with number 1 I can't agree at all with number 2. I again 
use Peter and Cedric to make the point. He   (Peter) most surely intended 
that the curse should work because he was ordered to use it by V, and if it 
didn't he was going to be in deep shit, but I don't hold to the idea that he took 
pleasure in Cedric's death simply because there was no reason for him to want 
Cedric dead personally. Therefore, the same can hold true for Snape. Yes, he 
had to intend for the curse to work, but that does not mean that he enjoyed or 
took pleasure in administering the curse.

Sandy


vera:

    I think that with the Unforgivable Curses what's really important is the background history of the person who conjures it. The first kill is the hardest. Your conscience is still with you but the more you kill, the more your soul and your feelings rot; all that is good within you dies with it. So it is a matter of becoming a pro at it, do it, and don't think about it. 

  Snape was a Death Eater, so he has had all the previous experience. Peter knew what had to be done, he had killed all those Muggles in the past and he had the nerve to do it, so he killed Cedric easily. Even Crouch Jr.(as Moody) performed the curse in the class easily being a DE himself. Now as for the real Moody, I know he filled Azkaban with DEs, but I don't remember any reference for him killing someone himself. If you remember, do let me know.
  
vera


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