[HPforGrownups] Going back to discuss GOF.

[Kathy King]

No: HPFGUIDX 150055

Lisa snipped:



Barty Crouch Jr. - needless to say, a very troubled lad. My question is- is
he really that
smart? because I don't think so. He plays an awfully good Mad Eye- I mean,
going to all
that trouble to win over Harry throughout year 4, he really goes out of his
way.  I realize he
wanted Harry to get to the Portkey so that his master (Voldewart) could get
his blood, but
c'mon, if you really read it (as if you didn't know it was Crouch Jr.) you
really get to like the
guy. I honestly don't think Crouch Jr. was capable of getting people to like
him. I think he
was a loner with no sense of humor, no self-esteem. Therefore, he did not
have the tools
to be that convincing.



Snow:



This was something I was going to bring up myself but in relation to the
fact that the memory can be modified like Morfin's to remember something
that he never in fact did… but admitted to. No one was willing to dig deeper
to find the real truth about Morfin because Morfin already looked guilty.
Hebzibah's elf was also incriminated in an equal fashion.



To get back to Jr., he had been under the Imperious curse for quite some
time by his father and found to be alive by Bertha. This bit of information
in no way incriminates Barty Jr. as being in league with the Dark Lord. (Sr.
surely checked the boy after years in his care and never found a dark mark
symbol imbedded in his left arm or else he surely would have been thrown to
Fenrir) We are then informed that Sr. had been puppeted by the Imperious and
Barty Jr. has now filled the shoes of Mad Eye by means of pollyjuice but
enhanced with unusual powers for a boy who had spent his life after school
either under Imperious or in Azkaban.



Barty Jr. was busted in the end and questioned under Veriserium pronouncing
himself Voldemort's most faithful servant. (Wasn't Dumbledore pissed off
when he couldn't further question this figure; makes you think there was
more there than met the eye, makes you think of Morfin) There are two very
big questions here:



(1)   Dumbledore said that Morfin even under Veriserium would have admitted
to the killing of the Riddles because his mind had been altered to believe
that and

(2)   Who is Voldemort's most faithful servant when both Jr. and Bella
believe they are the one?



[If text is required I will look them up, no time at present]



Dumbledore also states repeatedly that Voldemort has no real friends; No one
person that Voldemort would hold to any great status such as friend let
alone most faithful yet Voldemort in the graveyard scene proclaims that his
most loyal servant is at Hogwarts. This statement leads everyone to believe
that it was Jr. but is it really true simply because Jr was made to believe
it then we will believe it…or is there someone else at Hogwarts that's
really Voldemort's most faithful? Before everyone goes out on the same old
Snape limb…we already know that Snape was the one who left him forever and
should have been killed. Karkaroff was the one who was too cowardly to
return. Who else was at Hogwarts during the GOF that could fit the scenario
of the most faithful servant, someone who possibly was the spy for the Order
as well? The Weasley's were not part of the original Order so they're out
because the spy who was most loyal would have been in both wars. Lupin was
not anywhere to be seen or heard of in GOF, so he's most likely out as the
spy. I'll tell you that I'm kinda a liking McGonnagel for his most faithful
servant. She's there from the very beginning, literally, and she is in every
book; She was part of the first Order and also the second; she went to
school at the same time as Riddle yet divulges nothing about him; and one of
my greatest suspicions is that Harry doesn't divulge any information to her
in the end of the last book even though she is now the currant headmaster.
Along with this is the way in which Dumbledore treated McGonnagel's
questioning when he had dropped Harry on the doorstep of the Dursley's. I
realize that Dumbledore is a bit tight lipped and evasive in his answers to
questions posed to him but he had an attitude about McGonnagel's curiosity
to Harry's most recent mishap, I mean wouldn't you? Why was 'she' there, She
is not related to Lily or James, She didn't know of the prophecy, so why in
the world did She care above other Order members who were privy to the same
information that she was? You didn't see other Order members gathering at
the Dursley's house that day.



I know I am not the first to think that dear Minerva has an evil side to
her; even Harry's first thought of her was that she was someone you didn't
piss with. Ms. McGonnagel has more of a lack of back story than even Lupin
and yet she attended school with the soon to be Dark Lord; she was there
when Myrtle bit the dust; she was part of the first Order (the one who had
an inside spy for the bad guy); and she was dressed in Muggle clothes when
she returned from her spying expeditions during the second Order. What the
heck was She doing for the Order dressed in Muggle clothing? And Dumbledore
never told her (an original Order member), the second in command of
Hogwarts, why he trusted Snape, a bit curious I would think.



It really all comes back to my main suspicion though that Harry doesn't
divulge any information to the now headmaster of the school but Dumbledore
told Harry not to trust anyone other than Ron and Hermione, why? Was it
because Dumbledore still didn't know for sure who the spy was the last time
or this time for that matter? Harry can't even trust the Weasley's beyond
Ron; No One is safe with the information that Harry has about Riddle and his
soul pieces but Ron and Hermione, why?



I really didn't intend on writing an ESE McGonnagel post when I replied but
it appears this was the result. Barty Jr just does not meet the whole
faithful servant stature what-so-ever from the get go other than his twelve
OWLS making him about as smart as Percy and we all know where that got
Percy. Once more we don't hear Sirius talk about the imprisoned Azkaban
inmates shouting about Jr nay Or yeah. In fact not one death eater to my
knowledge has incriminated Jr as being a death eater. Of course the great
Rowlingness has made certain that not all deatheaters knew each other but Jr
was said to have tortured the Lestranges with Bella and Co. so They would
have known the real truth. Unfortunate They were locked up in Azkaban during
the most faithful servant speech at the graveyard.



No I believe poor Jr was on the up and up when he was on trial and had his
memory altered, like Morfin and the elf, to believe a not nice fairytale
story in the end.



Snow


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