LID!Snape rides again (was: High Noon for OFH!Snape)

[puduhepa98 at aol.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 150100

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>Neri:
>The Life Debt I suspect, is the Potterverse magical representation 
>of remorse. It forces itself on Snape the same way that RL remorse 
>can "force" itself on us. The fact that throughout the series Snape 
>repeatedly fails in repaying his Debt strongly suggests that he 
>still denies his remorse.
>
>Snape seems to treat the Debt as a mechanistic magic – if he just
>manages to repay it he'll be free and can choose Voldemort's side
>again. <snip>


Nikkalmati:
I wrote a longer post to this but lost it. Maybe it is for the best 
<g>.  It comes down to I respect the symmetry of the LID Snape 
theory, but it seems to be just an attempt to explain away any action 
which would support DDMSnape, not really a theory in itself.  As long 
as PP is not bound to help and save Harry in the same way as 
LIDSnape, I can't buy it.  The theory has to be consistent.  Note 
that P cuts Harry, ties up Harry and assists in bring to life a 
man who is going to kill Harry - right now.  This behavior is by a 
man who owes Harry a direct personal life debt, not a second-hand 
transferred life debt from James.

>Neri:
>But if so, how do you explain Snape stopping the Occlumency lessons
>because of, as Dumbledore himself admits, his feelings about James?
>How do you explain Snape refusing even to hear Sirius' story before he
>turns both him and Lupin in to the dementors for a fate worse than
>death? The view of Snape as a person who does not care about feelings,
>only about saving lives, simply doesn't work with the canon.

Nikkalmati:

I don't see how anyone can blame SS for stopping the Occlumency
lessons.  We know Harry did not want to learn Occlumency; he wanted 
the dreams to continue so he could learn what was behind the door 
in the MOM.  He didn't practice; he lied to HG when he told her he 
was practicing on his own because he had been given permission by 
SS.  He ignored Sirius and Lupin when they told him he must tell DD 
he was not taking lessons any more.

Harry's behavior with the Pensieve was outrageous.  How would you 
react if you left a teenager in your office and came back to find 
him going through your desk reading your letters?  Oh wait! It is 
worse.  Harry knew the memories had been placed in the Pensieve just 
so he would not see them.  (Even if SS intentionally left Harry 
there, he should not and cannot be excused for looking in the 
Pensieve and by the way confirming SS's bad opinion of Harry).  SS 
had every reason to throw Harry out as untrustworthy.  If SS is to 
be blamed for anything here, it would be for not telling DD, and I 
am not sure he didn't tell him.

>Neri:
>It's James who is the consistent example of valuing lives over
>feelings. Even when he bullies Snape he uses harmless jinxes in
>response to Snape's potentially lethal curse. He saves Snape's life
>despite (or maybe because) the feelings between them. And Dumbledore,
>who knew James well, ensures Harry that James would have spared
>Peter's life too.

Nikkalmati:
I am not sure this jinx is so harmless since this is SS's worse 
memory and Sirius tells Harry this sort of thing went on continuously 
while they were in school.  As for the cut, if this was the cutting 
curse we see used on Draco, we know it can cut a boy open.  I would 
say, SS was very restrained.  We know why Harry spared PP; it was so 
his father's friends would not become murderers.  SS attributes a 
similar motive to James; it was so he and his friends would not be 
expelled for murder.

Nikkalmati (Who doesn't think SS is a fluffy bunny or even nice, but 
thinks he should be judged fairly and in a way consistent with canon)