The Huge overreactions from a five minute time span.

[Joe Goodwin]

No: HPFGUIDX 150145

>>Leah wrote:

>> Sorry, not remembered rightly. Harry wondered if James had forced
>>Lily to marry him. 

<snip>

>>Of course I agree that Lily wasn't coerced into marrying James and
>>didn't feel that she was being coereced, but that's irrelevant.
>>What Harry felt (briefly) at the time, after seeing James' treatment
>>of Snape, was that James was capable of so forcing her. <<

Joe:

Isn't the point, though, that all evidence points to Harry's feelings
being wrong? James and Lily did get married and we have no reason
other than Harry's thought (based on one scene) that there was any
thing wrong at all.

I agree Harry could have thought his Mom might have been forced but
then again he thought he was saving Sirius at the Ministry. He
overreacts to certain things, understandable so.

Isn't it what Harry felt irrelevant and the truth more so?

>>Kemper:

<snip>

>>So, Joe, you're right the chapter shows one brief scene 
>>in James' and Snape's relationship, but you're laughably wrong to 
>>suggest this was a one time event. <<
   
Joe: 

I hope no one thinks I believe that James and Sirius only had one 
encounter with Snape during school. That said we don't have legions 
of canon chacters talking about what horrible people they were in 
school either. They were very teenage boys like so many that pass 
through schools every year. The only thing that makes them stand out 
is that they were both good looking, talented and charismatic. Much 
of the dislike I see for these characters I think is caused by those 
traits alone.
  
>>Kemper:
>> The truth is that James and Sirius were the cool crowd, and Snape 
>>was gigantic nerd.  Jocks against the D&D kid.  No where in the >>scene do we see status as equal. <snip> << 
   
Joe: 

If we have to use high school stereotypes then at least let's be a 
bit more accurate. Snape is bit like the all black wearing, be 
different be like us Cure crowd. Not to mention all 'groups' tend to 
make fun of and pick on those that aren't like them in school. Are 
you trying to imply that Snape had no means to defend himself and 
never was the aggressor? I think most would find that highly unlikely.
   
Yeah, Sirius was an arrogant teen, big deal. Most teens are, even 
the skulking around all in black ones. You don't think Snape thought 
he was better than others? The word "Mudblood" rings a bell....
   
I'm guessing that Snape's detention forms are in the same place 
Draco's are.

>Pippin:
>James may have had little hope of defeating Voldemort in battle;
>nevertheless if he'd won, he'd have saved his own life too. I think
>that may lessen his sacrifice in JKR's eyes, make it less pure.
>Lily did not even have a hope of saving herself.

>Pippin

Joe:

I don't know about that. I think the nature of wizarding spells might led to many duels where neither of the combatants went unharmed. I suspect that James would have died even if he had somehow beaten Voldemort.

Honestly, I don't see how going out fighting is less worthy of respect than going out begging.

I think the minute they decided not to  apparate away they entered into therealm of laudable sacrifice.  My own opinion is that we will find out that the value of Lilly's sacrifice will be that it was because she was his mother not that hers was some how more than James's. Sort of a variation on the whole 'A mother's love' thing.

Joe