Grey Lady (Lady Jane Grey)/Dudley. Hermione & Ravenclaw/Marietta Edgecomb

[littleleahstill]

No: HPFGUIDX 150282

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, career advisor <aceworker at ...> 
wrote:
>
> I'm going to throw up a theory and see if anybody likes it. This 
has to do with the  Grey  Lady ghost which belongs to the House of 
>Ravenclaw and also Hermione, Dudley and the Dursley's; also some 
>Marietta Edgecomb.

> Some of this may have been posted before, I'm sort of new to the 
>list and could not find many references to the Grey Lady, or the 
>search function was not cooperating on the home page for this >list.

Leah:

I've never learned to cope with the search function.

>Plus somebody needs to talk about anything other then Snape or 
>Lupin.

Leah:

That's true enough
 
 
>> 2) If you research the Grey Lady the description of of the 
>character. as JKR told the actress Nina Young playing her in the 
>SS/f (as posted on the Lexicon): "the Grey Lady is "a highly 
>intellectual young lady" and a woman with strong scholarly or 
>literary interests. "She never found true love as she never found a 
>man up to her standards." Here is the link: http://www.hp-
>lexicon.org/wizards/ghosts.html#hw closely matches the description 
>of Lady Jane Grey as described at wikipedia and other sources. Lady 
>Jane Grey was very intelligent and always has a book with her, 
>which I believe the Grey Lady is portrayed in the movie as having. 
> 

Leah:

I have actually seen a discussion on Mugglenet about whether the 
Grey Lady could be Lady Jane and your theory is interesting and well 
thought out.  However, I don't think you're right for this reason: 
JKR's website allows you to 'collect' various scrapbook items. One 
of these is a picture she drew of Nearly Headless Nick looking 
rather like Charles II (or Captain Hook, if you prefer).  In her 
accompanying note to the picture, JKR apologises that NHN's 
hair 'does not look very Elizabethan'.  Since we know from the Death 
Day Party that NHN died in 1492, he's not Elizabethan, he didn't 
quite make it through to be Tudor.  This makes me think that JKR is 
not a Tudor history buff and therefore is unlikely to base 
characters on historical personalities from that period. (I could be 
wrong though, since it has been suggested that Hagrid's reference in 
OOTP to travelling to Dee-John is a reference to the C16 alchemist, 
John Dee).


> Two possible theories for book 7 based on all this: 
> 
> 1) Hermione and Marietta will end up in some sort of struggle over 
>becoming the heir of Ravenclaw and/or the Ravenclaw Horcrux. 
>Hermione will initially win, but Marietta will prevail which will  
>cause the death of Hermione (Hermione is Jane Grey, so she must die 
>and Marietta is Queen Mary I).

Leah: I do see Marietta being involved in the hunt for the Ravenclaw 
horcrux, and conflict with Hermione, because I think the Sneak jinx 
storyline is not yet played out.  I do hope that Hermione does not 
die, but I think she may have to do some rethinking. I can't see why 
Hermione would be the heir of Ravenclaw, as she is  a muggle born 
Gryffindor, but it is possible that Marietta is (although Luna would 
be much more enjoyable) 
  
> This will also somehow have to do with the Dursleys and/or Draco 
>as a sub  Dudley. 

Leah: The Dudleys had their faults but they were an able family who 
helped rule the country effectively. I'm not sure they really 
deserve comparison with Master Dursley, (A touch of the Lucius 
Malfoys perhaps)    
 
> 2) Alternatively the trio and Marietta (Luna/Cho also) may have to 
>time travel to Tudor England, where it will turn out the Lady Jane 
>Grey not only is the Ravenclaw ghost but was a powerful witch who 
>tried to decline the throne not only due to religious reason but 
>also because she did not want to add wizard blood to the royal 
>line.  In order to find the Ravenclaw Horcux and or become 
>Ravenclaw heir they will have to do something there and or help 
>Lady Jane Grey.

Leah:
I honestly don't think there will be time in book seven for this 
sort of extensive time travel, involvement in historical plots etc. 
I know fiction wouldn't necessarily have to be historically 
accurate, but you suggest character parallels; Jane was fiercely 
religious, and would I think have been quite dismayed to find 
herself with magic powers ('thou shalt not suffer a witch to live' 
etc).  She was also, amazingly so considering her age, very prepared 
for death and the afterlife, and I think it unlikely she would have 
become a ghost even if offered the wizarding possibility of becoming 
one, so although she was definitely an intellectual, I don't think 
she is the Grey Lady.   
 
> In both of these, if there is a Ravenclaw Horcrux, it is prob a 
>tiara of Ravenclaw, either from the room of requirments or the 
>tiara Molly was going to get from her Aunt for Fleur and Bill's 
>wedding in HBP. The Grey Lady's ghost will somehow be involved in 
>revealing this all. 

Leah:
I agree there is a distinct possibility that the Ravenclaw horcrux 
is the tiara in the Room of Requirements, and Harry may think of it 
again when looking at Auntie Muriel's (hope she kisses Ron).  It's 
possible the Grey Lady could assist.

I think your ideas actually work better without Lady Jane.

Leah.