Draco as Victim in GoF (was: Re: The Huge overreactions...)

[Joe Goodwin]

No: HPFGUIDX 150310

Magpie:
>> <snip> Dumbledore (or JKR through Dumbledore) seems very intent 
on getting Draco to the point where he has to make a choice about 
killing or not. <snip> So I just can't see the lowering of the 
wand as a non-moment, just yet another sign of indecision.  The 
scene leading up to it is about indecision.  The lowering of the 
wand is a sign of *some* realization.  It's not a total change of 
sides, but it's a point of no return just the same, which is why 
it's referenced again later, imo.  We and Draco know at the end of 
HBP what Draco *isn't.*  We/he just don't yet know what he is. <<
   
   
  Joe: 
But we do know what he is, at least to a large degree. He is an 
attempted murderer and responsible for Dumbledore's death. Let's be 
honest here, Draco knew people would get hurt and most likely die 
when he let the D.E.s in. The only thing he didn't like was Greyback 
showing up. He reacted when Dumbledore mentioned he didn't think 
Draco would let Greyback in where his friends lived, correct? He 
might not want his friends being eaten but you can be fairly sure he 
wouldn't bat an eye at one of the Trio being eaten.
  
Magpie:
>> <snip> I think getting him face to face with a helpless Dumbledore 
where literally all he has to do is point a stick and say the word to
wish him dead (leaving aside the question of whether he could 
actually cast the spell) is an attempt, imo, to make the killing as 
easy as possible, not harder.  It reduces the whole thing, magically,
to the desire, because that's what the magic is.  Does he desire to 
kill DD or not?  He doesn't. <<
   
  Joe: 
Or he can't do it himself. He is still just as responsible as he is 
the one who let murderers in the school.


Magpie:
>> <snip> To have DDM! swoop in and be responsible for saving Draco 
seems to go completely backwards to me. It's this generation that 
will heal the last. <snip> I really can't see how Snape could be the 
agent of Draco redemption in a way that did not require Draco to be 
the one making his own choices.  How do you see this playing out? <<

Joe: 
This even aussume that Draco can be redeemed. I know that now in the 
oh so trendy how about a hug world that it seems everybody get more 
chances than they deserve. Still there isn't anything that Draco can 
do to be redeemed. Dumbledore will still be dead and Bill Weasley 
will still me scarred.
   
Can Draco help the Order against Voldemort? Oh I am certain he could. 
Can he be redeemed? No, there are some things that you cannot make 
amends for.