[HPforGrownups] Re: Harry's assumption VS Everyone's assumption

[Sherry Gomes]

No: HPFGUIDX 151703

Tonks:
I disagree that a child can make an "informed decision" about things that a
child does not understand. Some things have been kept from Harry and rightly
so. I do not think that DD has ever made a mistake. Ever! 


Sherry now:

Then Dumbledore himself is a liar, because he says he has made mistakes and
that his mistakes are bigger than the average person's.  JKR has said so
too.  So, perhaps he's never made a mistake, but he sure has told some damn
big lies then.

Tonks
When he was younger Harry had no right to know anything that the adults were
doing. The adults WILL take care of it.  

Sherry:

True.  In the real world.  But not in a hero fantasy, in which the immature
horrible boy is going to save the world.  In such a case, he is entitled to
know every single thing he can to do his task.  Dumbledore put him at risk
by not telling him everything, at least at the end of GOF, if not before.
The prophecy should have been revealed to him at that time and not been
saved for such a wonderful moment as right after Harry has seen his
godfather die.  


Tonks
Time and time again we have seen how wrong Harry has been about one thing
after another. And it was not his lack of knowing the whole truth that was
the problem, "Harry" was the problem.  He jumps to erroneous conclusions,
doesn't listen to others who are wiser, etc.  
God, to thing that the whole WW and Muggle world is dependent on Harry
scares the hell out of me!  He can't even tell the good guys from the bad.
He falls into every trap that LV has set for him, even when he is told.  I
swear, I know people love him, but to me he is an idiot most of the time.  A
sweet kid, yes.  but HE is going to save the world? God help us. I have more
faith in Neville.


Sherry now:
I don't think we can single out Harry alone for not being able to tell the
good guys from the bad.  He's in some darn fine company on that one.  Who
else couldn't tell the good guys from the bad?  The sainted Dumbledore let
an innocent man rot in a terrible prison for 12 years, never tried to find
out the truth, never lifted a finger.  Dumbledore couldn't tell an impostor
from a old and dear friend in GOF.  Dumbledore hired an incompetent like
Lockhart.  And worst of all, Dumbledore avoided Harry for all of OOTP,
thereby causing Harry to feel he had nowhere to turn, noone to trust.  No,
I've never blamed Dumbledore for the death of Sirius, but I could start
doing so if I thought about it long enough.

Dumbledore has been neither all perfect, all wise, all knowing or anything
else like it.  He is flawed, as are all the HP characters.  except of
course, the ever perfect Lily, and I'm hoping like hell we find out about a
flaw or two in her too.  That is part of why I can like Dumbledore so much.
I don't like perfect characters, because they are not realistic and I can't
relate to them.

And of course, the biggest mistake of all, Dumbledore trusted Snape, and now
Dumbledore is dead, murdered at the hand of that one he trusted and defended
so fiercely.  But no, of course, he never makes any mistakes, and Harry is
just a kid.  The thing is that JKR has written a story about kids, and Harry
is the one who is going to win in the end.  not Dumbledore and not Snape.  

Sherry
Defending the impetuous incompetent boy, because Harry is who I love best in
the series.