SHIP Harry/Ginny (was:CHPDISC: HBP14, Felix Felicis)
horridporrid03
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Sat May 6 21:55:45 UTC 2006
No: HPFGUIDX 151929
> >>Peg:
> > Just guessing, of course, but maybe the level of Ginny's anger
> > has to do with the fact that Harry is with Ron?
> > <snip>
> >>SSSusan:
> > I totally agree with Peg that this is likely one of the things
> > going on for Ginny. But I think the other thing which might
> > explain the degree of her anger is the fact that she's sick to
> > death of her brothers watching over her, commenting on whom
> > she's dating, criticizing her for hopping from boy to boy, and
> > generally (in her mind) interfering and treating her like a baby.
> Ceridwen:
> I recall becoming over the top as a teenager just because I was
> embarrassed. Being caught in a clinch by an older brother who has
> been harping on just that thing would certainly do it; getting
> caught by that older brother in front of current and hoped-for
> boyfriends both would send me in, fists flying, I'm sure.
> <snip>
Betsy Hp:
Hmm, I can see embarrassment being the driving force here. Though
it was stupid to make out in a corridor rather than a more secluded
nook. Not that I think Ginny is this Machiavellian genius,
purposefully making out in a corridor so that Harry catches her
being "sexy" (which would mean she insulted Ron on purpose in the
hopes that he'd lag behind in a fit of depression) tempting as that
scenario might be. <g> But yeah, even if Ginny unconsiously hoped
to get caught by Harry, it'd still be embarrassing having Ron call
her on her behavior. Which would drive the anger.
But would she be *that* angry? Ginny drew her wand, which is the
equivelent of "fists flying" for young witches. And then she
dragged out Ron's more embarrassing secrets. And then she nearly
cried (which more than anything else points to a massive amount of
anger, IMO).
I could buy the "sick and tired of intruding brothers" that you've
all brought up (and Ginger so beautifully backed with canon) if
there'd been a bit more of it once everyone was at school. Because
it's been a couple of months, and while I *can* see Ron making
comments throughout the summer (especially with the enforced
togetherness a summer at the Burrow ensures) we don't see any
evidence of Ron continuing the "big brother" role while at school.
Not that I can recall anyway. Not until his baby sister decides to
make out in front him. (Can you tell I'm coming at this from the
big sister's POV? <g>)
Plus, Ginny seemed to be nursing an angry streak before this scene
even happened. She snapped at Ron, overstepping all sorts of
bounds, in the practice right before this. Basically, Ginny's been
angry since the book begins. This scene is more Ginny hitting a
much built up boiling point than anything else. (And it doesn't
cancel her anger either. She's still angry when the match against
Slytherin occurs.)
So while I think embarrassment and annoyance at interfering brothers
drives some of her anger, to my mind there's something else going
on. Maybe the "not the baby anymore" stuff. Or even the "*when*
will Harry finally notice me?" stuff. (With a bit of the Bill just
*cannot* get married on the side.)
> >>Angie:
> <snip>
> She was also angry b/c Ron embarrassed her, but more importantly,
> himself, at Quidditch practice. I believe she feels Ron is not
> living up to his potential on the Quidditch field and she wants him
> to realize his potential. Maybe constructive criticism or
> encouragement would be more productive, but Ginny doesn't strike me
> as a warm-fuzzy person.
> <snip>
Betsy Hp:
See I *did* see Ginny as a bit more warm and fuzzy. Her
interactions with Harry in OotP seemed to point in that direction,
her ability to calm and even soothe him when no else could. And we
see more of that in HBP, like at the end where only Ginny is able to
lead Harry away from Dumbledore's corpse.
And even with Ron, Ginny had been more warm and fuzzy before. Her
care of Ron when he totally humiliated himself in GoF by asking
Fluer to the Yule Ball struck me as warm. But now, when Ron is
obviously suffering, she attacks him in a manner that not only
doesn't help, but actually makes his playing worse. It's
contradictory, IMO. And speaks to either bad writing on JKR's part,
or something going on with Ginny that will clear itself up in book 7.
However, Ginny is *consistently* angry at this point. She's angry
and cruel to Ron during practice. She's angry and cruel to Ron in
the corridor. And then she's angry and cruel towards Zacharias at
the Quidditch match. As Angie pointed out in the part I snipped, she
was angry and cruel towards Zacharias on the train to Hogwarts.
Heck, she was even angry and cruel towards Fluer back at the Burrow
(with a side of angry and cruel to Ron at the same time). Which
points away from JKR being a bad writer and towards something being
up with Ginny.
> >>Ceridwen:
> <snip>
> And, she's fifth year. Isn't that when CAPSLOCK!Harry appeared?
> This could also be the beginnings of Ginny breaking away from
> parents and such and growing into an adult.
> She did not seem OTT to me, considering.
> <snip>
> >>Peg:
> <snip>
> I'm not a big fan of "spunky" Ginny and I mostly agree with your
> (ruthlessly snipped) comments about her rage, but I don't
> necessarily take JKR's interview as proof that there's not
> something deeper going on with Ginny. Teenaged girls take
> EVERYTHING personally and to heart, so I don't see her anger as
> out-of-character for any adolescent girl. They haven't figured
> out how to control themselves yet, and the whole hormone thing
> needs to be taken into account. Hopefully Ginny will grow up and
> calm down quite a bit in book 7.
Betsy Hp:
Hopefully! Actually, now I wonder if Ginny doesn't calm down once
she and Harry start dating. It only occurs towards the end of HBP,
and I don't think Ginny goes into any rampages after they get
together. If Ginny has been carrying a torch for Harry this whole
time, that would necessarily put her under some stress (with the
added growing pains every teenager goes through).
And yes, I *should* ignore JKR's interviews, shouldn't I? It's the
paragon problem again. JKR claimed Ginny as "Harry's perfect
girlfriend" which pushes her into paragon land, and no character
worth their salt should ever be in paragon land. Far too boring.
(Though I would like some acknowledgment within the book that angry!
Ginny behaves badly. I don't like the suggestion that throwing
hexes and humiliating people is good behavior, no matter the stress
she might be under. Even capslocks!Harry is called on his behavior
in OotP - by Ron no less.)
Betsy Hp
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