SHIP Harry/Ginny (was:CHPDISC: HBP14, Felix Felicis)

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No: HPFGUIDX 151965

> >>Betsy Hp:
> > <snip>
> > And Ginny does go out and practice her quidditch (which 
> > *had* to have occured in the middle of the night -- no other    
> > logistic works for a place like the Burrow) so she can join the 
> > team too.  So Ginny is putting *a lot* of work into being the    
> > sort of girl she knows Harry is interested in.

> >>Catherine:
> Actually, (IIRC) Ginny started breaking into their broomshed from 
> the age of 6 to ride their brooms.
> <snip>

Betsy Hp:
Oh, I'm not saying Ginny wasn't interested in quidditch from birth.  
You're right that she's part of a pretty quidditch mad family so her 
interest makes sense that way.  But once Ginny starts going to 
school with her brothers her "secret quidditch practice" time at the 
Burrow is limited.  I'm sure she'd be able to practice at Hogwarts 
without her brothers knowing.  But at the Burrow, the only time she 
could do something like that is at night.  Which, to my mind, speaks 
of a pretty intense ambition.  Something that's been jump-started.
 
> >>Catherine:
> > *(snip)*
> > She probably did like Micheal and Dean, at least a bit. I don't 
> > think she would have prostituted herself just to forget about   
> > Harry.
> > <snip> 
> > Is there a rule that you can't like 2 people at the same time?

> >>Ceridwen:
> There's no reason why someone can't like two (or even more!)      
> people at the same time.
> <snip of canon>
> So, I do see Ginny's dating other boys when she has never given up 
> on being with Harry as something cold and calculating, designed to 
> get Harry's attention.

Betsy Hp:
Not to mention Hermione does the exact same thing in HBP when she 
dates McLaggan (I think his name was).  I wouldn't say Hermione 
prosituted herself, but she was playing a game.

I think Ginny was playing a similar, but not *quite* as calculating, 
game.  We know she's pretty and boys have noticed her.  So I think 
she decided to not wait around for Harry.  I think she did feel a 
bit of an attraction for Michael.  But, in her own words it never 
eclipsed her attraction for Harry.  It's not like she *married* 
Michael, though.  She just dated him.  And when his annoying traits 
(maybe his "not Harry" traits?) started to outweigh his attractive 
traits, she dumped him.  Dean was a little harder, because I get the 
feeling Dean is a very non-annoying guy.  But again, he's not Harry.

So, yeah, Ginny dated boys she wasn't in love with.  I don't think 
that's the same thing as prostitution.  And I also don't think she 
purposefully chose boys that would annoy Harry (unlike Hermione) so 
I don't see Ginny as being coldly calculating.  She just attempted 
to live like Harry wasn't important.  It was dishonest but not 
horrible.

> >>Ceridwen:
> <snip>
> It makes me think more about Ginny now.  Will there be problems 
> with her following other people?  TR in CoS, Hermione for         
> apparently several years for her love life (and is Hermione the    
> best person to give love advice?).

Betsy Hp:
That's an interesting point.  And it's interesting that when she 
does start dating Harry she seems to sour on Hermione a bit.  So 
maybe Ginny still needs to figure out who she is? If she does come 
into her own in book 7 I'm betting it'll happend rather quickly.

> >>Pippin:
> Wait, wait, wait. When did "Harry's perfect girl" get translated   
> into "faultless paragon"? IMO, Ginny is supposed to be "perfect"   
> not in the sense that she's flawless, but in that her flaws are   
> understood and accepted by Harry. *He's* not turned off by her    
> anger, far from it. That may be one of the reasons JKR decided to 
> show us angry Ginny.
> <snip>

Betsy Hp:
For me I think it was more how JKR's quote was used in discussions.  
If someone called Ginny's actions in HBP cruel the argument came 
back, well JKR says she's perfect so her attacks must be a positive 
thing so therefore it just means she won't be pushed around.

But yeah, I agree that Harry is not intimidated by Ginny's anger 
(unlike Ron or Hermione or poor Zacharias) in much the same way 
Ginny was not intimidated by Harry's anger in OotP.  

> >>Pippin:
> Naturally she takes out her anger at herself  on other people--
> that's something everyone in this book does. Our young heroes have 
> to learn to take responsibility for their failures and  accept     
> that just because a consequence was unintended doesn't mean       
> someone else is to blame for it.
> That's  for book 7, I think.

Betsy Hp:
I agree.  And I think that Ginny's anger is just as wrong and just 
as much a weakness for her (and those around her) as Harry's anger 
was in OotP.  Hitting someone in the nose because they're asking you 
questions is not good behavior.  Humiliating your brother because 
you're upset about something else is not good behavior.  And bad 
sportsmanship is just bad.  I do hope Ginny realizes that in book 
7.  I hope that her anger and the cruelity it unleashes is seen as a 
part of her character that needs to be worked on rather than 
celebrated.

> >>Betsy Hp:
> > However, Ginny is *consistently* angry at this point.
> > <snip>
> > Which points away from JKR being a bad writer and               
> > towards something being up with Ginny.

> >>Ginger:
> I may have connected some dots here.  Tell me what you think.
> At the beginning of the book, we are told the the dementors are
> breeding.  At the beginning of this very chapter, (Potioncat      
> pointed out) the mist was very strong.  If we go back to PoA, the 
> three who were most effected by the dementors were Harry, Neville 
> and Ginny.
> <snip>
> I think she is now the person most effected by dementors because   
> she has had no catharsis (sp?) and has not been able to work out   
> those feelings.
> <snip>

Betsy Hp:
I really like the idea of Ginny's story not being finished yet.  She 
did strike me as over the top in HBP, but then most teenagers strike 
me as over the top. <g>  But it would make sense if her frustration 
over her Harry crush, her brother's marriage, the tension of 
Voldemort's return (I can see Molly becoming *very* clingy), and her 
raging hormones got a jump-kick by the Dementor's breeding.  
(Suddenly I am put in mind of a group of menstruating women. <g>)

Betsy Hp