Sportsmanship/legitimacy

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 151968

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "a_svirn" <a_svirn at ...> wrote:
> a_svirn:
> You've just provided the perfect foil for Dumbledore's unfairness. 
> Samaranch unlike Dumbledore managed to reward Lemieux without 
> punishing other combatants. Dumbledore rewarded Harry at the 
expense 
> of the others. Because this is completion and Harry's reward was 
> Krum's and Cedric's punishment – they had to give up their fairly 
> gained advantage. And surely they didn't deserve it. It wasn't 
their 
> fault that they were clever enough not to think the worst of 
> Dumbledore. 

Alla:

Well, you can look at it this way of course. But my point was that 
this athlete WAS rewarded for his character, for his moral fiber. He 
was rewarded SOMEHOW and that was my analogy (loose analogy of 
course, but analogy nevertheless).

The argument had been repeated in this thread that Harry should not 
have been rewarded for what he did ( I am still wondering over the 
absolute certainty that "Character" was not evaluated in the 
Tournament, but that is of course up to grabs, since we don't have 
the  written rules of TWT at our disposal) and  I am arguing that 
character DOES matter and it also matters at the real world sport 
competitions and it does not go unrecognised at least sometimes.

And I completely disagree that other champions were punished. They 
were just not rewarded. Because none of them tried to save other 
hostages.

Now, if there is canon that other champions knew for sure that the 
hostages are not in danger, I will of course abandon this part of my 
argument, but I honestly don't remember any such canon.

Hermione knew that they were not in danger. Have the other champions 
known that?


> Betsy Hp:
> Okay, what about this:  Your child is a cross-country runner and 
is in 
> a big meet.  You're standing at the finish line, and here she 
comes, 
> ahead of the pack.  She's won.  Except, hang on, behind your 
daughter 
> another runner had gotten into trouble.  Another racer abandoned 
the 
> race to help the injured runner and the judges declare the runner 
who 
> stopped to help the actual winner.  Because they were so very 
> humanitarian.
> 
> Would you feel your child had been treated fairly?  Would you be 
> comfortable with the implication that your daughter *wasn't* a 
> humanitarian?  
<SNIP>

Alla:

Of course it is hard to say what I would have done in the actual 
situation, BUT I know one thing I would NOT be upset with the judges 
giving the win to the runner who actually tried to save life ( 
although again, what you describe seem to work against actual sport 
rules, while IMO we don't know that "character" was not evaluated  
in TWT) and I am thinking that I would tell my child that I would 
want her to behave as the other runner did.

> Pippin:
<SNIP>
> It's really a question of expectations -- if you think that 
character
> shouldn't count, then it's going to seem unfair that Dumbledore
> "all of a sudden" decided to award points for character. But if
> you think that was part of the contest all along, then there's
> nothing to complain about.  I would think Cedric is more 
> familiar with the rules and customs of the TWT than we are,
> and he obviously doesn't think he's been treated unfairly.


Alla:

I could not deny myself a pleasure of giving Pippin a big fat "ME 
TOO" :)

Good to know we still agree on some things. :-)

JMO,

Alla