Sportsmanship/legitimacy

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 151976

> Alla:
>
> If you show me the canon that other champions knew for sure that
> other hostages were not in danger then yes, I would agree with you
> that they did not have to save other hostages. <snip>

  Magpie:
> We have Ron laughing at the idea that Harry thought the hostages
were in
> danger, and also laughing at the idea that the judges decided it
was showing
> moral character. The merpeople, iirc, are laughing at Harry when
he's trying
> to save the other hostages.  We've also got the fact that the
hostages
> weren't really in danger. Why should the other players have to
prove they
> weren't completely confused about what was going on just because
Harry was?
<snip>

Alla:

Ron is not a Champion though and neither is a Hermione. IMO it is
very logical to assume that hostages were warned that they were not
really in danger by Dumbledore or whoever, but champions were not.

IMO to support that champions did not know, we have Fleur reaction
to Harry's saving her sister. It is not " thanks for nothing, she
was not really in danger". It is:

"Meanwhile Madame Maxime was trying to restrain Fleur Delacour, who
was quite hysterical, fighting tooth and nail to return to the water.

"Gabrielle!Gabrielle! Is she alive? Is she 'urt?" - GoF, paperback,
p.504.

I don't think she would have been HYSTERICAL if she did not think
Gabrielle was in real danger. IMO of course.

And of course we have Fleur enthusiastic gratitude to Harry ( you
saved her even though she was not her hostage)


> Magpie:
<SNIP>
>> Now Cedric and Krum are under suspicion of seeing people in
danger and not
> doing anything to help them because they only cared about getting
points in
> a game.  That's a completely unfair slur on their character--and a
pretty
> huge slur it is, too.  Does Cedric Diggory really seem like the
kind of guy
> who would not care about a little girl's life because he only
cares about
> winning?  Isn't this the same kid who gave Harry the hint about
the egg
> because he thought it would only be fair?


Alla:

Well, they DID care about getting points in the game, didn't they?

Cedric is a great kid. great kids make mistakes too. Harry certainly
makes plenty. I think that it is even better that I can view Cedric
as not all together perfect, but someone who become a bit too
involved in the game at that point OR of course maybe he did knew
that hostages were not in danger.

And yes, he helped Harry after Harry helped him. They certainly
helped each other plenty, poor guys.

Cedric knows what fair play is, but I do think that it is totally
possible that in this task he lost to Harry on "moral fiber" part of
evaluation.

Does not make him a bad person to me at all.


Stupid Yahoomort will not let us edit the posts of course, so I am 
editing by replying to myself.

I am flipping through the "Second task" chapter and I think I found 
a support for Cedric simply concentrating on the game too much.

Cedric was IMO simply too stressed out by the time he got to the 
hostages to think about anything else except saving Cho.

"Got lost!" he mouthed, looking panick stricken. "Fleur and Krumm 
coming now" - GoF, p.300.

Cedric is already panicking since he had trouble getting to them. I 
think it is perfectly reasonable that he would not think of making 
sure that everybody else got their hostages.

But Harry DID think of that, he went the extra-mile and IMO was 
rewarded for that.

JMO,

Alla